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I think that it’s great. People will stick to their cities thus avoiding long drives to mountains nature etc. Who needs to travel away from infrastructure, righ

by antman 4y ago

I think that it’s great. People will stick to their cities thus avoiding long drives to mountains nature etc. Who needs to travel away from infrastructure, right? Why do we have gasoline stations in the highways now? The EU committee could not figure it out I suppose, but in any case some EV stations could be placed instead so that drivers can have a quick 8hr charging session/sleepover. Driving after having rested also decreases accidents, two birds with a stone here. How many engineers did that committee have? I will make an educated guess: Zero to none

toomuchtodo 4y ago
https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/ Scroll to Europe on both EV charger maps. The ongoing complaints about charging infra seems to come form a place of being uninformed (in Europe specifically, complaints elsewhere are still somewhat valid). Existing infra is getting more robust daily, and chargers can be installed anywhere there is existing power infra or space for solar, batteries, and charging stalls beneath the solar canopy. DC fast charging is at most 20-40 minutes (assuming V2 and above Superchargers or CCS). Level 2 charging, 4-8 hours roughly, can occur overnight at homes and hotels, or during the day at businesses/workplaces. Automakers have over 12 years to retool to make and sell only EVs; that is the point, to force them to do so in a reasonable amount of time. The EU could push harder if they wanted (2030). Norway’s combustion vehicle sales ban kicks in in 2025, but they’ve already reached almost 100% of EV sales 2.5 years ahead of the ban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles#Places_with_planned_fossil-fuel_vehicle_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...
- deanc 4y ago
  Soon as you leave the major cities in Finland, EV charging points are present but in a lot of cases they are taken. You might drive 100km and need to charge, only to arrive at the first charging station and all spots are full. So you have to wait - sometimes 1-2hrs - and hope that no Tesla has parked overnight. You can't go much further as the next station is in another 50-150km. Petrol stations are ubiquitous and take 1-2mins to fill a car. We are going to need a lot more charging stations than pumps if we are to make this work for a fully or mostly EV population.
millerm 4y ago
8 hour charging session? What decade do we live in? How do you think it will be by then? I wait like 20 minutes if I need to use a supercharger. I pretty much never do, because I don’t travel that much. 8 hours is hyperbole.
- antman 4y ago
  Superchargers for off of the grid places? Superchargers installation at scale needs a lot more infrastructure than gas stations, and the companies on that sector have dropped the ball for a lot simpler stuff. That has always been the problem with electricity, it can not be stored and you need to size for your peek.
iso1631 4y ago
> People will stick to their cities thus avoiding long drives to mountains nature etc. Or they just take an electric train and then hire an electric car locally to get around
- Gigachad 4y ago
  HN users and Americans more generally have a tendency to assume that anything other than their exact lifestyle is impossible. It’s either driving a ICE pickup truck or it’s banging rocks together to start a camp fire in the wilderness.

by antman 4y ago

toomuchtodo 4y ago

https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/ Scroll to Europe on both EV charger maps. The ongoing complaints about charging infra seems to come form a place of being uninformed (in Europe specifically, complaints elsewhere are still somewhat valid). Existing infra is getting more robust daily, and chargers can be installed anywhere there is existing power infra or space for solar, batteries, and charging stalls beneath the solar canopy. DC fast charging is at most 20-40 minutes (assuming V2 and above Superchargers or CCS). Level 2 charging, 4-8 hours roughly, can occur overnight at homes and hotels, or during the day at businesses/workplaces. Automakers have over 12 years to retool to make and sell only EVs; that is the point, to force them to do so in a reasonable amount of time. The EU could push harder if they wanted (2030). Norway’s combustion vehicle sales ban kicks in in 2025, but they’ve already reached almost 100% of EV sales 2.5 years ahead of the ban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles#Places_with_planned_fossil-fuel_vehicle_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehic...

deanc 4y ago
Soon as you leave the major cities in Finland, EV charging points are present but in a lot of cases they are taken. You might drive 100km and need to charge, only to arrive at the first charging station and all spots are full. So you have to wait - sometimes 1-2hrs - and hope that no Tesla has parked overnight. You can't go much further as the next station is in another 50-150km. Petrol stations are ubiquitous and take 1-2mins to fill a car. We are going to need a lot more charging stations than pumps if we are to make this work for a fully or mostly EV population.

millerm 4y ago

8 hour charging session? What decade do we live in? How do you think it will be by then? I wait like 20 minutes if I need to use a supercharger. I pretty much never do, because I don’t travel that much. 8 hours is hyperbole.

antman 4y ago
Superchargers for off of the grid places? Superchargers installation at scale needs a lot more infrastructure than gas stations, and the companies on that sector have dropped the ball for a lot simpler stuff. That has always been the problem with electricity, it can not be stored and you need to size for your peek.

iso1631 4y ago

> People will stick to their cities thus avoiding long drives to mountains nature etc. Or they just take an electric train and then hire an electric car locally to get around

Gigachad 4y ago
HN users and Americans more generally have a tendency to assume that anything other than their exact lifestyle is impossible. It’s either driving a ICE pickup truck or it’s banging rocks together to start a camp fire in the wilderness.