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Compared to America, many other democracies manage to get by with far less fraud. For example, election fraud is effectively unheard of in France; the system is

Compared to America, many other democracies manage to get by with far less fraud. For example, election fraud is effectively unheard of in France; the system is so robust that even in very close elections there is never any real drama about recounts or such. For a country that considers democracy to be fundamental to its identity, the US's performance is embarrasing in comparison.

jacquesm 4y ago
If you don't start out with one person, one vote then I think you should not be calling yourself a democracy to begin with. Votes from different persons should be exactly equal in weight.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  What country has an unequal weight in votes? No, the US is not that country.
Barrin92 4y ago
>For example, election fraud is effectively unheard of in France Which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and the other way around, American politics is dominated by discourse about election fraud more so than actual evidence of it (this case excluded). On the contrary elections in America are extremely rarely fraudulent[1] You're actually buying into a politically motivated narrative that tries to characterize American democracy overall as not worth participating in. [1]https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-c...
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  > Which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist It really doesn't. I've voted in French elections and volunteered in American polling places, and the French system visibly has much better safeguards. I am not regurgitating some invented narrative, just believing my "lying eyes".
democratiepart 4y ago
There is nothing specific about the French system that cannot be replicated. You need to be registered on the voter list, show up on election day with your passport or ID card, take a bunch of small papers with candidate names on them, go into a privacy booth to put whichever candidate you want in an envelope, then you walk to the center of the room where the election officers check your passport again, you have to sign your name on the list, and the head of the voting office opens access to a big transparent urn where you drop your envelop. At the end of the day, the count of the votes is done in public. I don't remember any history of voting fraud in any kind of election.

jacquesm 4y ago

If you don't start out with one person, one vote then I think you should not be calling yourself a democracy to begin with. Votes from different persons should be exactly equal in weight.

rootusrootus 4y ago
What country has an unequal weight in votes? No, the US is not that country.

Barrin92 4y ago

>For example, election fraud is effectively unheard of in France Which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and the other way around, American politics is dominated by discourse about election fraud more so than actual evidence of it (this case excluded). On the contrary elections in America are extremely rarely fraudulent[1] You're actually buying into a politically motivated narrative that tries to characterize American democracy overall as not worth participating in. [1]https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-c...

Georgelemental 4y ago
> Which doesn't mean that it doesn't exist It really doesn't. I've voted in French elections and volunteered in American polling places, and the French system visibly has much better safeguards. I am not regurgitating some invented narrative, just believing my "lying eyes".

democratiepart 4y ago

There is nothing specific about the French system that cannot be replicated. You need to be registered on the voter list, show up on election day with your passport or ID card, take a bunch of small papers with candidate names on them, go into a privacy booth to put whichever candidate you want in an envelope, then you walk to the center of the room where the election officers check your passport again, you have to sign your name on the list, and the head of the voting office opens access to a big transparent urn where you drop your envelop. At the end of the day, the count of the votes is done in public. I don't remember any history of voting fraud in any kind of election.