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> if my perception is you claim to not "believe" in things like borders as you very purposefully do as many crimes as possible to bring yourself pleasure, then

> if my perception is you claim to not "believe" in things like borders as you very purposefully do as many crimes as possible to bring yourself pleasure, then get on a plane to Berghain or Britain or whatever to do it all over again and demand folks just respect your "mutual association" or some crap. Yes, you either need town walls (e.g. borders) or you need a legal apparatus that coordinates over a large area. Otherwise, you get people like John Dillinger and Baby Face Nelson, traveling town-to-town committing crimes, leaving in fast cars before they can be held to account by local authorities. Walling off every town obviously wasn't practical, so instead the FBI was formed. Anarchists prefer to talk theory and abstract principles, rather than concrete policy that address unfortunate realities like this.

yellowapple 4y ago
> Yes, you either need town walls (e.g. borders) or you need a legal apparatus that coordinates over a large area. Or you need a populace that's able and willing to defend itself against the John Dillingers and Baby Face Nelsons of the world. Deterrence begets peace; helplessness begets violence.
- dontbenebby 4y ago
  That's the issue with society right now. The attitude of "you can't put your hands on people, call the police" clashing with the attitude of "you're a nuisance to 911, you need to invoke stand your ground and be a man". What often happens is whether violence was on centers on who you did it to, rather than the circumstances leading up to the event, which is why I'm no longer as fond of stand your ground as I was back when I had to do things like yell at a frat boy who yelled "You can't curse at me, I know your professor" after literally crossing a street to throw a sieg heil "We're not at school you drunk nazi, get ready to call an ambulance". He ran away as I started reaching into my pocket and yelled I was gonna put him against the wall of the parking garage across from Kilroy's, but I think he learned to never cross the street and scream nazi crap in front of the guy who passive aggressively quotes the crypto anarchist manifesto and Jim Bell every time his adviser forces him to guest lecture her class since he's technically got a research assistantship, is only covering the lecture to be kind, and never even really learned geometry properly let alone calculus in special ed, but is somehow now a "crypto" expert. (As in cryptography. Bitcoin is for weirdos - use cash, or maybe a gift card paid for with it if you insist on not touching cash friends.)
- robonerd 4y ago
  Well you can do as you wish I suppose, but personally I would rather avoid getting into gun battles with machinegun toting bank robbers. Better for the government to hire some men to do it for the rest of us. You know, like police.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    You mean like how they did it for the students and staff of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX?
dontbenebby 4y ago
>Yes, you either need town walls (e.g. borders) or you need a legal apparatus that coordinates over a large area. Or a mechanism to decide who is a resident, with access to social services etc. I want to read up on how Switzerland does it -- I heard some cantons, you need permission of the community to settle, but I don't know if that works in the spirit intended or if you're a non-white / European refugee they'd just vote you away even if you follow democratic norms etc.

yellowapple 4y ago

> Yes, you either need town walls (e.g. borders) or you need a legal apparatus that coordinates over a large area. Or you need a populace that's able and willing to defend itself against the John Dillingers and Baby Face Nelsons of the world. Deterrence begets peace; helplessness begets violence.

dontbenebby 4y ago
That's the issue with society right now. The attitude of "you can't put your hands on people, call the police" clashing with the attitude of "you're a nuisance to 911, you need to invoke stand your ground and be a man". What often happens is whether violence was on centers on who you did it to, rather than the circumstances leading up to the event, which is why I'm no longer as fond of stand your ground as I was back when I had to do things like yell at a frat boy who yelled "You can't curse at me, I know your professor" after literally crossing a street to throw a sieg heil "We're not at school you drunk nazi, get ready to call an ambulance". He ran away as I started reaching into my pocket and yelled I was gonna put him against the wall of the parking garage across from Kilroy's, but I think he learned to never cross the street and scream nazi crap in front of the guy who passive aggressively quotes the crypto anarchist manifesto and Jim Bell every time his adviser forces him to guest lecture her class since he's technically got a research assistantship, is only covering the lecture to be kind, and never even really learned geometry properly let alone calculus in special ed, but is somehow now a "crypto" expert. (As in cryptography. Bitcoin is for weirdos - use cash, or maybe a gift card paid for with it if you insist on not touching cash friends.)
robonerd 4y ago
Well you can do as you wish I suppose, but personally I would rather avoid getting into gun battles with machinegun toting bank robbers. Better for the government to hire some men to do it for the rest of us. You know, like police.
- yellowapple 4y ago
  You mean like how they did it for the students and staff of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX?

dontbenebby 4y ago

>Yes, you either need town walls (e.g. borders) or you need a legal apparatus that coordinates over a large area. Or a mechanism to decide who is a resident, with access to social services etc. I want to read up on how Switzerland does it -- I heard some cantons, you need permission of the community to settle, but I don't know if that works in the spirit intended or if you're a non-white / European refugee they'd just vote you away even if you follow democratic norms etc.