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The accessibility points are strong, and those need to be fixed. But a lot of the rest is just grousing and personal preference. I cannot take an argument that

The accessibility points are strong, and those need to be fixed. But a lot of the rest is just grousing and personal preference. I cannot take an argument that switches are harder to use than checkboxes, for example, in good faith. If anything the click target is bigger for a switch?

lapcat 4y ago
> I cannot take an argument that switches are harder to use than checkboxes, for example, in good faith. In good faith, what does that even mean? As explained in the article, using switches rather than checkboxes is actually against Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines: "Avoid using a switch to control a single detail or a minor setting." "In general, don't replace a checkbox with a switch." "Use a checkbox instead of a switch if you need to present a hierarchy of settings." In general, the switch control is unintuitive. With a physical switch, you would need to move the knob horizontally. But the GUI switch behaves like a checkbox, in that one click/touch will toggle it. You can "grab" the graphical knob and move it horizontally, but that's slower than a single click, and I've found sliding on those controls to be somewhat unreliable on touch screens (if done rapidly in a swiping motion). So the appearance of the switch gives you the opposite impression of how it is most efficiently used. You have to "know the trick" that the switch behaves like a checkbox to think that the switch offers a bigger click target. However, this thinking is incorrect, because the trick to a checkbox, if you know it, is that you can also click the checkbox text, so that's a larger click target than the switch. I wouldn't expect non-pro users to know this, but I also wouldn't expect non-pro users to know that you don't have to slide a switch horizontally.
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The accessibility points are strong, and those need to be fixed. But a lot of the rest is just grousing and personal preference. I cannot take an argument that

by chadlavi 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago
> I cannot take an argument that switches are harder to use than checkboxes, for example, in good faith. In good faith, what does that even mean? As explained in the article, using switches rather than checkboxes is actually against Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines: "Avoid using a switch to control a single detail or a minor setting." "In general, don't replace a checkbox with a switch." "Use a checkbox instead of a switch if you need to present a hierarchy of settings." In general, the switch control is unintuitive. With a physical switch, you would need to move the knob horizontally. But the GUI switch behaves like a checkbox, in that one click/touch will toggle it. You can "grab" the graphical knob and move it horizontally, but that's slower than a single click, and I've found sliding on those controls to be somewhat unreliable on touch screens (if done rapidly in a swiping motion). So the appearance of the switch gives you the opposite impression of how it is most efficiently used. You have to "know the trick" that the switch behaves like a checkbox to think that the switch offers a bigger click target. However, this thinking is incorrect, because the trick to a checkbox, if you know it, is that you can also click the checkbox text, so that's a larger click target than the switch. I wouldn't expect non-pro users to know this, but I also wouldn't expect non-pro users to know that you don't have to slide a switch horizontally.
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