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If you let students attend any classes they wanted, I bet they would sort themselves appropriately. The rowdy kids won't want to be in a classroom where everyon

If you let students attend any classes they wanted, I bet they would sort themselves appropriately. The rowdy kids won't want to be in a classroom where everyone is quiet and the teacher is explaining the central limit theorem.

abfan1127 4y ago
but then the rowdy kids get left behind. You could argue that the rowdy kids are getting left behind either way.
- thorncorona 4y ago
  That sounds like a parenting problem to me.
  - abfan1127 4y ago
    I agree.
- anthonypasq 4y ago
  a lot of rowdy kids simply do not have the underlying personality to succeed in a classroom setting and thats perfectly fine. we need to do a better job of sorting kids earlier like they do in Germany for example.
toyg 4y ago
And even if that didn't happen, teachers can easily score "civility" themselves. They all know who the troublemakers are. The problem would become, though, that nobody really wants the rowdy crowd. Even the laziest teacher would nope out, and as much as self-sacrifice is probably more prevalent in the teaching class than in the general population, there are never enough willing to self-immolate for hopeless causes. Which, in turn, is why we get the Hollywood fantasies with exactly those heroic characters: because they're actually very rare.
robonerd 4y ago
I think this works well for college, but at the highschool level you have the complicating factor of parents being involved in the decision making. How would you account for the parents who think their little monster is a perfect angel and place their kid in the best classrooms, despite his desire and intention to misbehave?
- bombcar 4y ago
  College shares the same benefit/tool that private schools have - they can kick a student out for misbehavior.
ARandumGuy 4y ago
That's basically what my high school did. Students had a lot of flexibility to choose the classes they wanted to take, and had a lot of leeway if they wanted to choose the advanced or standard version of a class. Combine this with a lot of optional classes, and students at my high school could tailor their class schedule to their own needs and wants. I recognize that my experience was no means the norm. My high school was large, well funded, and had a lot of resources at its disposal. And even then, there were absolutely students that weren't served well by the school. But its overall a system that seems to work pretty well, and I think its a model that more schools look at.

abfan1127 4y ago

but then the rowdy kids get left behind. You could argue that the rowdy kids are getting left behind either way.

thorncorona 4y ago
That sounds like a parenting problem to me.
- abfan1127 4y ago
  I agree.
anthonypasq 4y ago
a lot of rowdy kids simply do not have the underlying personality to succeed in a classroom setting and thats perfectly fine. we need to do a better job of sorting kids earlier like they do in Germany for example.

toyg 4y ago

And even if that didn't happen, teachers can easily score "civility" themselves. They all know who the troublemakers are. The problem would become, though, that nobody really wants the rowdy crowd. Even the laziest teacher would nope out, and as much as self-sacrifice is probably more prevalent in the teaching class than in the general population, there are never enough willing to self-immolate for hopeless causes. Which, in turn, is why we get the Hollywood fantasies with exactly those heroic characters: because they're actually very rare.

robonerd 4y ago

I think this works well for college, but at the highschool level you have the complicating factor of parents being involved in the decision making. How would you account for the parents who think their little monster is a perfect angel and place their kid in the best classrooms, despite his desire and intention to misbehave?

bombcar 4y ago
College shares the same benefit/tool that private schools have - they can kick a student out for misbehavior.

ARandumGuy 4y ago

That's basically what my high school did. Students had a lot of flexibility to choose the classes they wanted to take, and had a lot of leeway if they wanted to choose the advanced or standard version of a class. Combine this with a lot of optional classes, and students at my high school could tailor their class schedule to their own needs and wants. I recognize that my experience was no means the norm. My high school was large, well funded, and had a lot of resources at its disposal. And even then, there were absolutely students that weren't served well by the school. But its overall a system that seems to work pretty well, and I think its a model that more schools look at.