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"The current population of students we identify as academically gifted and talented is unacceptably whiter and wealthier than the actual student population of a

"The current population of students we identify as academically gifted and talented is unacceptably whiter and wealthier than the actual student population of academically gifted and talented students should be." A typical IQ threshold for a gifted program is 130. The average IQ overall is 100 with standard deviation 15. For black Americans the average score on IQ tests is about 85, which explains why blacks will be under-represented in gifted programs unless racial preferences are used. The makers of IQ tests would like to reduce racial differentials while maintaining the predictive abilities of their tests, but they have not been able to.

paulpauper 4y ago
I depends. I think the threshold is more like 120, but IQ may not be used anymore as a criteria
- wccrawford 4y ago
  It's probably not used as the criteria for a few reasons, but I'd bet it still correlates pretty strongly in the end.
jeremyjh 4y ago
Did you read the part where he pointed out that black/brown students are 66% less likely to be in a gifted program with the same test scores ?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Is that because the program discriminates or because their family lacks awareness of such programs? Those have very different solutions.
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    Schools literally send home papers to parents and communicate with them directly about the programs. Most school districts require parental permission before children are pulled out of class to be tested.
- flerchin 4y ago
  He said similar, and he didn't provide the data. We surely would like to delve into why this might be happening. We can know for certain that there is no skin-color criterion in the program selection.
- _gabe_ 4y ago
  I just left a comment as a reply to this post because that statistic intrigued me. I had to go hunting for the actual paper, and when I finally found it it seems to suggest that discrepancy is because the study lumped students who have access to gifted programs with students that don't have access. Additionally it identified that 83% of black students had access to a gifted program as opposed to 91% or something of white students. Additionally the study cited says that they had several gaps in their data and used some statistical regressions to fill in those gaps. All this leads me to believe that we need to provide more access to gifted programs, and the problem isn't that we have a herd of racist teachers on the loose.

paulpauper 4y ago

I depends. I think the threshold is more like 120, but IQ may not be used anymore as a criteria

wccrawford 4y ago
It's probably not used as the criteria for a few reasons, but I'd bet it still correlates pretty strongly in the end.

jeremyjh 4y ago

Did you read the part where he pointed out that black/brown students are 66% less likely to be in a gifted program with the same test scores ?

zmgsabst 4y ago
Is that because the program discriminates or because their family lacks awareness of such programs? Those have very different solutions.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  Schools literally send home papers to parents and communicate with them directly about the programs. Most school districts require parental permission before children are pulled out of class to be tested.
flerchin 4y ago
He said similar, and he didn't provide the data. We surely would like to delve into why this might be happening. We can know for certain that there is no skin-color criterion in the program selection.
_gabe_ 4y ago
I just left a comment as a reply to this post because that statistic intrigued me. I had to go hunting for the actual paper, and when I finally found it it seems to suggest that discrepancy is because the study lumped students who have access to gifted programs with students that don't have access. Additionally it identified that 83% of black students had access to a gifted program as opposed to 91% or something of white students. Additionally the study cited says that they had several gaps in their data and used some statistical regressions to fill in those gaps. All this leads me to believe that we need to provide more access to gifted programs, and the problem isn't that we have a herd of racist teachers on the loose.