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The pattern of splitting within the revolutionary left is notable, and perhaps similar to similar patterns within protestant christianity. And perhaps just as v

The pattern of splitting within the revolutionary left is notable, and perhaps similar to similar patterns within protestant christianity. And perhaps just as various protestant consciousness patterns became universalized, so too are the ways of thought of the old revolutionary left. And perhaps in the vision of society splitting and splitting, there are more revolutionary possibilities than widely understood...(https://deepsocks.substack.com/p/galtzerdiakbolo?s=w https://deepsocks.substack.com/p/galtzerdiakbolo?s=w)

robonerd 4y ago
> perhaps similar to similar patterns within protestant christianity Dead on. Once you eschew centralized authority, the group fracturing as everybody discovers their own slightly different version of truth seems inevitable.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  ... it's a feature that makes Protestant Christianity relatively healthy. Salvation is between you and God, no terrestrial authority can say "you've displeased me, you're going to Hell". Or rather, they can, but you're free to go to the church across the street which believes roughly the same thing.
  - d883kd8 4y ago
    This is backwards! Religion should not adapt itself to the people. It is not a democracy. How can an organization claim to represent the will of god when they are shaped by the market process you describe into an average of human desires?
    - dkarl 4y ago
      Many humans desire a religion that claims to represent the will of god.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - rektide 4y ago
      The knowability of god seems itself a false & deceitful pretense. Accepting any organizations interprettation of what facts tales & stories they have seems to many like folly. We have to listen, quietly & somewhat individually & in small groups, for the heartbeat of god. The only earnest truth is that it's a interpretation. Unsurprisingly, I really enjoyed Newell's similarly titled, "Listening for the Heartbeat of God" (1996), on early celtic christianity, https://books.google.com/books/about/Listening_for_the_Heartbeat_of_God.html?id=boWIpiLkoPQC https://books.google.com/books/about/Listening_for_the_Heart...
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      How can an organization claim to represent the will of God at all? There is no salvation except that which is negotiated between the individual and God (or many gods, or no gods, or what have you). No Earthly church or temple or synagogue or mosque or coven or what have you has the authority to dictate how you connect with the broader universe in which you exist.
    - BeFlatXIII 4y ago
      Because if enough people dislike what God is telling them, they'll leave for the church across the street that says that God has, in fact, revealed something slightly different and more agreeable.
pydry 4y ago
A strong tendency to split seems to be a feature of the left in general.
- weakfish 4y ago
  I think it’s a feature of most extreme ideologies - an above commenter points out the endless fragmentation of the extreme right between religious and racial ideologies
_lqaf 4y ago
It isn't just the left. The revolutionary rightwingers are endlessly fragmentary - the militia, white supremacy and various theocratic movements each have a ton of complicated history of fragmentation and infighting. I suspect the phenomenon is partly a function of relative powerlessness combined with the emotional high-stakes of being marginalized combined with the personalities attracted to such groups.
- ad-astra 4y ago
  Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1095/ https://xkcd.com/1095/
highlighter 4y ago
What you call "pattern of splitting" is a feature. In a decentralized society political power is decentralized, much like you have different music genres, or universities or restaurants. People are still able to communicate, read and write and influence each other even if they wear slightly different hats.
- rektide 4y ago
  Alas those who dont have motivation to self-select forward tend to get left behind, end up in a big, easy to manipulate block. The un-motivated & tuned-out end up centralized.
uoaei 4y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/metaanarchy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/metaanarchy/

robonerd 4y ago

> perhaps similar to similar patterns within protestant christianity Dead on. Once you eschew centralized authority, the group fracturing as everybody discovers their own slightly different version of truth seems inevitable.

PaulHoule 4y ago
... it's a feature that makes Protestant Christianity relatively healthy. Salvation is between you and God, no terrestrial authority can say "you've displeased me, you're going to Hell". Or rather, they can, but you're free to go to the church across the street which believes roughly the same thing.
- d883kd8 4y ago
  This is backwards! Religion should not adapt itself to the people. It is not a democracy. How can an organization claim to represent the will of god when they are shaped by the market process you describe into an average of human desires?
  - dkarl 4y ago
    Many humans desire a religion that claims to represent the will of god.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - rektide 4y ago
    The knowability of god seems itself a false & deceitful pretense. Accepting any organizations interprettation of what facts tales & stories they have seems to many like folly. We have to listen, quietly & somewhat individually & in small groups, for the heartbeat of god. The only earnest truth is that it's a interpretation. Unsurprisingly, I really enjoyed Newell's similarly titled, "Listening for the Heartbeat of God" (1996), on early celtic christianity, https://books.google.com/books/about/Listening_for_the_Heartbeat_of_God.html?id=boWIpiLkoPQC https://books.google.com/books/about/Listening_for_the_Heart...
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    How can an organization claim to represent the will of God at all? There is no salvation except that which is negotiated between the individual and God (or many gods, or no gods, or what have you). No Earthly church or temple or synagogue or mosque or coven or what have you has the authority to dictate how you connect with the broader universe in which you exist.
  - BeFlatXIII 4y ago
    Because if enough people dislike what God is telling them, they'll leave for the church across the street that says that God has, in fact, revealed something slightly different and more agreeable.

pydry 4y ago

A strong tendency to split seems to be a feature of the left in general.

weakfish 4y ago
I think it’s a feature of most extreme ideologies - an above commenter points out the endless fragmentation of the extreme right between religious and racial ideologies

_lqaf 4y ago

It isn't just the left. The revolutionary rightwingers are endlessly fragmentary - the militia, white supremacy and various theocratic movements each have a ton of complicated history of fragmentation and infighting. I suspect the phenomenon is partly a function of relative powerlessness combined with the emotional high-stakes of being marginalized combined with the personalities attracted to such groups.

ad-astra 4y ago
Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1095/ https://xkcd.com/1095/

highlighter 4y ago

What you call "pattern of splitting" is a feature. In a decentralized society political power is decentralized, much like you have different music genres, or universities or restaurants. People are still able to communicate, read and write and influence each other even if they wear slightly different hats.

rektide 4y ago
Alas those who dont have motivation to self-select forward tend to get left behind, end up in a big, easy to manipulate block. The un-motivated & tuned-out end up centralized.

uoaei 4y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/metaanarchy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/metaanarchy/