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Eho needs cheap and reliable energy (you know from where as in last half century) or safe a bit more expensive one (wink wink France) when you can build useless

Eho needs cheap and reliable energy (you know from where as in last half century) or safe a bit more expensive one (wink wink France) when you can build useless wind farms and room whole landscape! Germany FTW, the suicide way, inflation FTW, people can handle anything to die for green energy. Can't wait for more exits from this union detached from reality.

schmeckleberg 4y ago
I wonder why nuclear fanboys always attack low-carbon, low-capital renewables with a ferocity that they spare incumbent and well-financed, carbon-spewing fossil fuel power providers. i don't know if we could ever figure out "cui bono"!
- Markoff 4y ago
  as I said it's expensive (per MWh), unreliable (can you provide guaranteed output 24/7/365?) and it ruins vast landscapes
  - chmod775 4y ago
    > as I said it's expensive (per MWh) The cost has been going down steadily, and even now onshore wind only costs half as much per MWh as nuclear[0], whose cost has been going up. And that isn't even factoring in the long term cost of nuclear. > unreliable (can you provide guaranteed output 24/7/365?) Fair. You can only do that with a globally distributed, modern, energy grid that combines solar and wind. Not really a problem with HVDC losses being only 3.5%/1000km nowadays. On a global scale solar and wind are a remarkably stable energy source. > and it ruins vast landscapes I present to you, a brown coal mine[1]. I think wind turbines actually look pretty cool, but I guess that's subjective. I like nuclear as much as much as the next reasonable person, but your stance on wind energy doesn't strike me as reasonable. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-levelized-capital-cost-of-energy-generation-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-leveliz... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine#/media/File:Banneraktion_von_JunepA_im_Tagebau_Hambach,_2017.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine#/media/Fi...

schmeckleberg 4y ago

I wonder why nuclear fanboys always attack low-carbon, low-capital renewables with a ferocity that they spare incumbent and well-financed, carbon-spewing fossil fuel power providers. i don't know if we could ever figure out "cui bono"!

Markoff 4y ago
as I said it's expensive (per MWh), unreliable (can you provide guaranteed output 24/7/365?) and it ruins vast landscapes
- chmod775 4y ago
  > as I said it's expensive (per MWh) The cost has been going down steadily, and even now onshore wind only costs half as much per MWh as nuclear[0], whose cost has been going up. And that isn't even factoring in the long term cost of nuclear. > unreliable (can you provide guaranteed output 24/7/365?) Fair. You can only do that with a globally distributed, modern, energy grid that combines solar and wind. Not really a problem with HVDC losses being only 3.5%/1000km nowadays. On a global scale solar and wind are a remarkably stable energy source. > and it ruins vast landscapes I present to you, a brown coal mine[1]. I think wind turbines actually look pretty cool, but I guess that's subjective. I like nuclear as much as much as the next reasonable person, but your stance on wind energy doesn't strike me as reasonable. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-levelized-capital-cost-of-energy-generation-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/194327/estimated-leveliz... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine#/media/File:Banneraktion_von_JunepA_im_Tagebau_Hambach,_2017.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine#/media/Fi...