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To each their own; I think they look cool. Solarpunk, even.

by CalRobert 4y ago

mbeex 4y ago
Start living there. Greetings from Germany
- chki 4y ago
  I'm living "there" and it really doesn't bother me a lot.
  - mbeex 4y ago
    > I'm living "there". Perhaps not close enough. - look up "infrasound" and "undercutting minimum distances", better use something else than Google for this. - also check the requirements for the base materials: concrete, aluminium, fiber-reinforced plastic. Calculate the energy requirements for producing them. - familiarize yourself with the space requirements (~ two acres of highly compacted soil, not including access roads) - duration and disposal - soil dehydration, other environment impact issues - ... and as always of course, base load capability and storability
- Brometheus 4y ago
  I live here and I love them.
- pyhtel 4y ago
  I do live there, they look cool. Greetings from the Netherlands. Seriously though, what is this comment supposed to achieve?
- CalRobert 4y ago
  Hello from the Irish midlands! I live near several large wind turbines and think they're awesome. They also help us stop cutting peat for fuel, which is good because it's a unique habitat and one of the best carbon stores in the world.
blisterpeanuts 4y ago
What about the danger to birds? That is much more concerning than mere appearance.
- ls15 4y ago
  More than 30 times as many birds are killed by automobiles. The number for pesticides is similar. More than 50 times as many are killed by buildings. More than 300 times as many are killed by cats. https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how...
  - kebman 4y ago
    The fact that birds are killed in other places is not an argument for making more bird-killing structures when it can be avoided. Especially when the kinds of birds they tend to kill are endangered birds of prey. That is unless the number of bird deaths it causes are negligible.
    - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      Yes, it is. We have lots of needs in an industrial society. Torpedoing one effort for marginal benefit when work elsewhere would benefit much more, is astonishingly damaging and wasteful.
      - kebman 4y ago
        No, it definitively isn't! If it was your intention to mention societal needs for wind power this entire time, then why didn't you? If you don't mention the societal needs, and merely make unsupported claims that "windows kill birds," then you are being woefully disingenuous. Because windows do not kill eagles, but wind farms do! This is an important distinction which your blanket statement does not cover. As for what's marginal, damaging or wasteful, then why is Germany supporting the construction of a woefully and inadequate technology when they have a much better alterative: Nuclear power?

To each their own; I think they look cool. Solarpunk, even.

mbeex 4y ago

Start living there. Greetings from Germany

chki 4y ago
I'm living "there" and it really doesn't bother me a lot.
- mbeex 4y ago
  > I'm living "there". Perhaps not close enough. - look up "infrasound" and "undercutting minimum distances", better use something else than Google for this. - also check the requirements for the base materials: concrete, aluminium, fiber-reinforced plastic. Calculate the energy requirements for producing them. - familiarize yourself with the space requirements (~ two acres of highly compacted soil, not including access roads) - duration and disposal - soil dehydration, other environment impact issues - ... and as always of course, base load capability and storability
Brometheus 4y ago
I live here and I love them.
pyhtel 4y ago
I do live there, they look cool. Greetings from the Netherlands. Seriously though, what is this comment supposed to achieve?
CalRobert 4y ago
Hello from the Irish midlands! I live near several large wind turbines and think they're awesome. They also help us stop cutting peat for fuel, which is good because it's a unique habitat and one of the best carbon stores in the world.

blisterpeanuts 4y ago

What about the danger to birds? That is much more concerning than mere appearance.

ls15 4y ago
More than 30 times as many birds are killed by automobiles. The number for pesticides is similar. More than 50 times as many are killed by buildings. More than 300 times as many are killed by cats. https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how...
- kebman 4y ago
  The fact that birds are killed in other places is not an argument for making more bird-killing structures when it can be avoided. Especially when the kinds of birds they tend to kill are endangered birds of prey. That is unless the number of bird deaths it causes are negligible.
  - JoeAltmaier 4y ago
    Yes, it is. We have lots of needs in an industrial society. Torpedoing one effort for marginal benefit when work elsewhere would benefit much more, is astonishingly damaging and wasteful.
    - kebman 4y ago
      No, it definitively isn't! If it was your intention to mention societal needs for wind power this entire time, then why didn't you? If you don't mention the societal needs, and merely make unsupported claims that "windows kill birds," then you are being woefully disingenuous. Because windows do not kill eagles, but wind farms do! This is an important distinction which your blanket statement does not cover. As for what's marginal, damaging or wasteful, then why is Germany supporting the construction of a woefully and inadequate technology when they have a much better alterative: Nuclear power?