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You showed that people are leaving but what about crime stats? https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Chesa-Boudin-London-Breed-16751930.php

You showed that people are leaving but what about crime stats? https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Chesa-Boudin-London-Breed-16751930.php https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che... This article goes into various claims about crime rates and most are either false or only partially true. In my opinion conservative media and people on the right exaggerate the amount of crime in cities in general so they can point to the leadership who are almost Democrats

newfriend 4y ago
There's a lot of crime that goes unreported. It's well known here that property crime goes unpunished / nothing can be done, so many people don't bother reporting it at all. In my opinion people like you think that conservative media is exaggerating the amount of crime in cities, but it's actually happening. There is a ton of crime here. Scenes that look like they're from a zombie movie, people shooting up drugs and leaving needles everywhere, open-air markets peddling wares shoplifted from cvs/walgreens/etc. This is not made up.
- themitigating 4y ago
  How do you know it's happening if it goes unreported?
  - newfriend 4y ago
    Because I live here and talk to people. I've been the victim of property crime that I have not reported because I know nothing will come of it. Bike theft and breaking into garages is extremely common, and it's well known that reporting it is a waste of time. I've also witnessed more serious crime like smash & grabs and brazen shoplifting, though they are more rare. What isn't rare is seeing people living in tents chopping up bikes and injecting themselves with needles in plain sight. Your article also mentions the same thing: > Many property crimes in the city go unreported, making it difficult to gauge the level of decline. > San Francisco's increase in burglaries, however, did outpace the rest of the country. People in SF complaining about crime aren't talking about homicides (thank goodness). But as mentioned in your article, burglary is way up. Most likely property crime is also way up. This is what people are complaining about. So saying "crime is actually down" doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
subsubzero 4y ago
As for crime being bad its absolutely 100% true. I visited my cousin(2019) who works at a lidar company in the mission(Ouster) and while heading to lunch there are piles and piles of white needle casings on the ground, I didn't know what they were and my cousin mentioned they were such. Human shit in huge piles(apparently addicts getting off of drugs drop everything so to speak). Also saw a car with all its windows smashed out with a man screaming inside it(Just a day out in SF for a lunch break!). Another time on a team outing in the city(2018) I saw a man hit a woman in the face on the street, and a homeless man lurched in front of our SUV carrying my team(Team Dinners are great in SF!). My brother came to visit the golden gate bridge and ride his bike(2021), in the hour he was gone someone tried to pry his bike rack off of his car, he was shocked as it was a crowded parking lot for the GG recreation area so not some back alley. Oh and here are some fun images of absolute anarchy with smash and grabs that cost the bay area $1B, so yeah things are completely falling apart under the current regime: https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-stores-board-up-windows-smash-grab-thefts-2021-12#in-the-wake-of-the-citys-mass-thefts-san-francisco-retailers-boarded-up-their-window-fronts-as-plywood-replaced-decembers-usual-holiday-decor-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-stores-board-u...
- themitigating 4y ago
  Your personal experiences have no values when discussing any trend in crime over a larger population

newfriend 4y ago

There's a lot of crime that goes unreported. It's well known here that property crime goes unpunished / nothing can be done, so many people don't bother reporting it at all. In my opinion people like you think that conservative media is exaggerating the amount of crime in cities, but it's actually happening. There is a ton of crime here. Scenes that look like they're from a zombie movie, people shooting up drugs and leaving needles everywhere, open-air markets peddling wares shoplifted from cvs/walgreens/etc. This is not made up.

themitigating 4y ago
How do you know it's happening if it goes unreported?
- newfriend 4y ago
  Because I live here and talk to people. I've been the victim of property crime that I have not reported because I know nothing will come of it. Bike theft and breaking into garages is extremely common, and it's well known that reporting it is a waste of time. I've also witnessed more serious crime like smash & grabs and brazen shoplifting, though they are more rare. What isn't rare is seeing people living in tents chopping up bikes and injecting themselves with needles in plain sight. Your article also mentions the same thing: > Many property crimes in the city go unreported, making it difficult to gauge the level of decline. > San Francisco's increase in burglaries, however, did outpace the rest of the country. People in SF complaining about crime aren't talking about homicides (thank goodness). But as mentioned in your article, burglary is way up. Most likely property crime is also way up. This is what people are complaining about. So saying "crime is actually down" doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

subsubzero 4y ago

As for crime being bad its absolutely 100% true. I visited my cousin(2019) who works at a lidar company in the mission(Ouster) and while heading to lunch there are piles and piles of white needle casings on the ground, I didn't know what they were and my cousin mentioned they were such. Human shit in huge piles(apparently addicts getting off of drugs drop everything so to speak). Also saw a car with all its windows smashed out with a man screaming inside it(Just a day out in SF for a lunch break!). Another time on a team outing in the city(2018) I saw a man hit a woman in the face on the street, and a homeless man lurched in front of our SUV carrying my team(Team Dinners are great in SF!). My brother came to visit the golden gate bridge and ride his bike(2021), in the hour he was gone someone tried to pry his bike rack off of his car, he was shocked as it was a crowded parking lot for the GG recreation area so not some back alley. Oh and here are some fun images of absolute anarchy with smash and grabs that cost the bay area $1B, so yeah things are completely falling apart under the current regime: https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-stores-board-up-windows-smash-grab-thefts-2021-12#in-the-wake-of-the-citys-mass-thefts-san-francisco-retailers-boarded-up-their-window-fronts-as-plywood-replaced-decembers-usual-holiday-decor-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-stores-board-u...

themitigating 4y ago
Your personal experiences have no values when discussing any trend in crime over a larger population