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I'm curious how the email about "not showing up to the office would be interpreted as a resignation" plays into the layoff scenario. Is there any grounds that c

by bumby 4y ago

I'm curious how the email about "not showing up to the office would be interpreted as a resignation" plays into the layoff scenario. Is there any grounds that could realistically be considered a notice of resignation or is it just a blow-hard email?

dragontamer 4y ago
Presumably, the original-poster here should keep working responsibly. He won't show up to the office in August, but promises to do so by January. Until then, he keeps programming as he always has. If they want to fire him, that's fine, let them fire him so that he gets the full severance package (unemployment benefits, etc. etc.)
tokai 4y ago
My contract specify how a resignation is to be done before it is binding (in writing). It that not normal in the states?
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  No it's not. You can be fired for not going to work or doing your job. Your company can change your job roles and responsibilities
  - tokai 4y ago
    Yes ofc you can be fired. That not the question. It is if your employer can tell you what they will take as an resignation. For me only a written notice will count. Any employer can tell me that they fire me if I don't show up, they would still have to write me an official firing when I don't show. Being fired is not resigning tho. Non of this has anything nothing to do with at-will or not.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I think in this case I it is a difference without a distinction. " take as an resignation" means the company initiates your resignation paperwork. The employee will often need to sign a statement of resignation (Termination by mutual agreement), but the employer can absolutely initiate and send them the paperwork. If you refuse, the resignation paperwork goes away and is replaced with firing paperwork, which you are not required to sign. Here is some additional info: https://swartz-legal.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-separation-from-employment/#:~:text=Involuntary%20termination,work%20contract%20or%20temporary%20employment https://swartz-legal.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-sep...
- efficax 4y ago
  most employment in the US is "at will" and has no real contractual obligations. you can quit at any time (and be fired at any time), for any reason. severance is essentially a benefit, completely optional, although it is required by law in some mass layoff situations regardless of at-will employment.
  - tokai 4y ago
    You are misunderstanding me. I'm writing about an employer telling employees that an specific action (not showing up) will count as a resignation. It seems so weird to me that this isn't in the contract.
    - lesuorac 4y ago
      Doesn't seem weird to me. If you were my employee and I said you had a shift at say 8am and you never showed up then I'd just fire you _with cause_. There's no need for it to count as a resignation.
      - Buldak 4y ago
        The point is that being terminated, as opposed to resigning, has implications for unemployment and other benefits. It therefore matters if an employer is free to simply interpret an arbitrary action or non-action as resignation.
        frumper 4y ago
        A better interpretation of unemployment insurance is you are no longer able to work through no fault of your own. That varies a little between states, but most places you are able to quit for cause and collect UI. A few examples is if your pay significantly drops, or your job duties change significantly, or your place of employment moves to an unreasonable commute. The flip is also true, you may be ineligible for UI if you're fired for cause. Quitting vs resigning isn't a direct correlation to collecting UI, though they often rhyme for general cases.
        4y ago
- bumby 4y ago
  I don't remember ever seeing a policy specifically requiring a writing resignation. But I just assumed it was better for all involved to have an official email after an in-person discussion just to formalize it
tiahura 4y ago
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- frumper 4y ago
  You are eligible for unemployment in California if your employer significantly changes the terms of work, that includes changing locations to an unreasonable commute.
- jamincan 4y ago
  In most places, moving your place of employment such that it requires relocation would be considered constructive dismissal and therefore effectively termination.

by bumby 4y ago

dragontamer 4y ago

Presumably, the original-poster here should keep working responsibly. He won't show up to the office in August, but promises to do so by January. Until then, he keeps programming as he always has. If they want to fire him, that's fine, let them fire him so that he gets the full severance package (unemployment benefits, etc. etc.)

tokai 4y ago

My contract specify how a resignation is to be done before it is binding (in writing). It that not normal in the states?

s1artibartfast 4y ago
No it's not. You can be fired for not going to work or doing your job. Your company can change your job roles and responsibilities
- tokai 4y ago
  Yes ofc you can be fired. That not the question. It is if your employer can tell you what they will take as an resignation. For me only a written notice will count. Any employer can tell me that they fire me if I don't show up, they would still have to write me an official firing when I don't show. Being fired is not resigning tho. Non of this has anything nothing to do with at-will or not.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I think in this case I it is a difference without a distinction. " take as an resignation" means the company initiates your resignation paperwork. The employee will often need to sign a statement of resignation (Termination by mutual agreement), but the employer can absolutely initiate and send them the paperwork. If you refuse, the resignation paperwork goes away and is replaced with firing paperwork, which you are not required to sign. Here is some additional info: https://swartz-legal.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-separation-from-employment/#:~:text=Involuntary%20termination,work%20contract%20or%20temporary%20employment https://swartz-legal.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-sep...
efficax 4y ago
most employment in the US is "at will" and has no real contractual obligations. you can quit at any time (and be fired at any time), for any reason. severance is essentially a benefit, completely optional, although it is required by law in some mass layoff situations regardless of at-will employment.
- tokai 4y ago
  You are misunderstanding me. I'm writing about an employer telling employees that an specific action (not showing up) will count as a resignation. It seems so weird to me that this isn't in the contract.
  - lesuorac 4y ago
    Doesn't seem weird to me. If you were my employee and I said you had a shift at say 8am and you never showed up then I'd just fire you _with cause_. There's no need for it to count as a resignation.
    - Buldak 4y ago
      The point is that being terminated, as opposed to resigning, has implications for unemployment and other benefits. It therefore matters if an employer is free to simply interpret an arbitrary action or non-action as resignation.
      - frumper 4y ago
        A better interpretation of unemployment insurance is you are no longer able to work through no fault of your own. That varies a little between states, but most places you are able to quit for cause and collect UI. A few examples is if your pay significantly drops, or your job duties change significantly, or your place of employment moves to an unreasonable commute. The flip is also true, you may be ineligible for UI if you're fired for cause. Quitting vs resigning isn't a direct correlation to collecting UI, though they often rhyme for general cases.
      - 4y ago
bumby 4y ago
I don't remember ever seeing a policy specifically requiring a writing resignation. But I just assumed it was better for all involved to have an official email after an in-person discussion just to formalize it

tiahura 4y ago

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frumper 4y ago
You are eligible for unemployment in California if your employer significantly changes the terms of work, that includes changing locations to an unreasonable commute.
jamincan 4y ago
In most places, moving your place of employment such that it requires relocation would be considered constructive dismissal and therefore effectively termination.