This is a really consistent pattern in HN comments. Someone says, "X isn't producing the results people who advocate for X wanted." Then someone else inevitabl

This is a really consistent pattern in HN comments. Someone says, "X isn't producing the results people who advocate for X wanted." Then someone else inevitably chimes in, "X was never intended to produce those results from the beginning! It was a plot to benefit a few at the expense of everyone else all along!" X is variously Capitalism, Communism, in this case Progressivism... What is the point of making comments like this? It seems very useless and gets us no further towards a discussion of things that might work. Please drop the rote attempts at agitation. Agitation has never motivated anyone to make the world better. Only a vision of how things could be instead can do that.