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> Boudin sought to reform the criminal justice system, ending the use of cash bail, stopping the prosecution of minors as adults, and focused on lowering jail p

> Boudin sought to reform the criminal justice system, ending the use of cash bail, stopping the prosecution of minors as adults, and focused on lowering jail populations amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Boudin also became the first San Francisco DA to file homicide charges against city police officers. It seems like it's hard to know: - If these policies would have helped reduce crime over the long term, but not impacted it over the short term - If these policies would have helped reduce crime over the long term, but increased it over the short term - If these policies increase crime over the short-term and the long-term It seems like it's going to be difficult to follow a data-driven approach here. It could take a long time to collect enough data and like most of the other social sciences, it's difficult to isolate causal from correlative factors. I empathize with San Francisco not wanting to be the guinea pigs to find out. Being tough on crime feels like the right solution even if we don't know objectively if it is or isn't. Also nobody likes hate crimes are getting their car broken into.

mynameishere 4y ago
It seems like it's hard to know: No, man, no. It's not hard to know. Pro-crime policies increase crime. That's what they do, and that's their entire purpose. Everyone here seems to think this guy was acting in good faith. No. He comes from a proud terrorist tradition [1], and he's playing his part. Almost every "right wing" news source points out that he is bankrolled by George Soros, and the left (Who could hardly stop repeating "Koch Brothers" whenever they could) needs to realize that there are powerful forces out their intentionally trying to harm society. [1] Literally.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Is he also a “secret Muslim trying to bring Sharia law to the US?” I think we should check his birth certificate.
  - fmajid 4y ago
    He is Jewish, and his terrorist parents were Weathermen (Weatherpersons?), not Al-Qaida or their ilk.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      So we are judging people by what his parents supposedly did?
      - fmajid 4y ago
        Not supposedly did, they were both convicted of felony murder and spent decades in prison (his father being only recently being released as one of Andrew Cuomo's last acts in office). He was raised by the leaders of the Weather Underground, who were smarter and left the actual murdering to underlings and so were never prosecuted. As for Boudin himself, he's the one who keeps bringing up his parents during his original campaign and all the puff pieces whenever he is interviewed. His stance is that his parents' imprisonment was the grave injustice, not that they were responsible for the murder of two policemen (including the first Black officer in Nyack, NY) and a security guard. It's worth noting his privileged mother got the best legal defense you can get (her lawyer father's partner) and was sentenced to far less than her husband, the latter got 75 to life and she 20 years to life. When she was released, she was promptly hired as an assistant professor by Columbia and got her own department to manage, clearly the difficulties felons face in finding employment did not apply to her.
- mcphage 4y ago
  > and the left (Who could hardly stop repeating "Koch Brothers" whenever they could) needs to realize that there are powerful forces out their intentionally trying to harm society. That's a weird comment—the left recognizing that there are powerful forces out there intentionally trying to harm society is why they keep on about the Koch brothers.
the_third_wave 4y ago
Here in Sweden some of those 'experiments' have been policy [1] for many decades. There is an increased call to do away with many of them since they - in combination with the mishandling of migration which has led to ethnically segregated ghettoes - have led to an explosion of gang-related crime [2]. - Under 18 year old convicts in practice do not get sentenced to prison no matter the crimes they commit, instead they tend to get off with a warning for 'small crimes' and are sent to social care ('ungdomsvård' or 'youth care') for 'larger crimes', this can be in a closed facility for crimes like murder and rape. Under 15 can not be prosecuted at all. This has led to a large increase in the use of under-18s by (ethnically segregated) criminal gangs where "att brösta en fyra för att bli en hundragubbe" [2] (taking four years of 'ungdomsvård' (for murder) to prove your 100% loyalty to the gang) has become a way to get away with murder while gaining new recruits. - Under 21 year old convicts get reduced sentences ('ungdomsrabatt' or 'youth discount') which is also useful for gangs which see their members back on the streets within a short time. So going by the long-time experiment run here in Sweden the conclusion seems to be that these policies do not help in lowering the crime rate, in fact the opposite seems to be true. [1] https://www.aklagare.se/lattlast/ungdomar-brott-och-straff/sarskilda-straff-for-ungdomar/ https://www.aklagare.se/lattlast/ungdomar-brott-och-straff/s... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/26/fatal-shootings-have-risen-in-sweden-despite-fall-across-europe-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/26/fatal-shooting... [3] https://www.svensktidskrift.se/ett-parallellsamhalle-som-letat-sig-in-pa-kultursidorna/ https://www.svensktidskrift.se/ett-parallellsamhalle-som-let...

mynameishere 4y ago

It seems like it's hard to know: No, man, no. It's not hard to know. Pro-crime policies increase crime. That's what they do, and that's their entire purpose. Everyone here seems to think this guy was acting in good faith. No. He comes from a proud terrorist tradition [1], and he's playing his part. Almost every "right wing" news source points out that he is bankrolled by George Soros, and the left (Who could hardly stop repeating "Koch Brothers" whenever they could) needs to realize that there are powerful forces out their intentionally trying to harm society. [1] Literally.

scarface74 4y ago
Is he also a “secret Muslim trying to bring Sharia law to the US?” I think we should check his birth certificate.
- fmajid 4y ago
  He is Jewish, and his terrorist parents were Weathermen (Weatherpersons?), not Al-Qaida or their ilk.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So we are judging people by what his parents supposedly did?
    - fmajid 4y ago
      Not supposedly did, they were both convicted of felony murder and spent decades in prison (his father being only recently being released as one of Andrew Cuomo's last acts in office). He was raised by the leaders of the Weather Underground, who were smarter and left the actual murdering to underlings and so were never prosecuted. As for Boudin himself, he's the one who keeps bringing up his parents during his original campaign and all the puff pieces whenever he is interviewed. His stance is that his parents' imprisonment was the grave injustice, not that they were responsible for the murder of two policemen (including the first Black officer in Nyack, NY) and a security guard. It's worth noting his privileged mother got the best legal defense you can get (her lawyer father's partner) and was sentenced to far less than her husband, the latter got 75 to life and she 20 years to life. When she was released, she was promptly hired as an assistant professor by Columbia and got her own department to manage, clearly the difficulties felons face in finding employment did not apply to her.
mcphage 4y ago
> and the left (Who could hardly stop repeating "Koch Brothers" whenever they could) needs to realize that there are powerful forces out their intentionally trying to harm society. That's a weird comment—the left recognizing that there are powerful forces out there intentionally trying to harm society is why they keep on about the Koch brothers.

the_third_wave 4y ago

Here in Sweden some of those 'experiments' have been policy [1] for many decades. There is an increased call to do away with many of them since they - in combination with the mishandling of migration which has led to ethnically segregated ghettoes - have led to an explosion of gang-related crime [2]. - Under 18 year old convicts in practice do not get sentenced to prison no matter the crimes they commit, instead they tend to get off with a warning for 'small crimes' and are sent to social care ('ungdomsvård' or 'youth care') for 'larger crimes', this can be in a closed facility for crimes like murder and rape. Under 15 can not be prosecuted at all. This has led to a large increase in the use of under-18s by (ethnically segregated) criminal gangs where "att brösta en fyra för att bli en hundragubbe" [2] (taking four years of 'ungdomsvård' (for murder) to prove your 100% loyalty to the gang) has become a way to get away with murder while gaining new recruits. - Under 21 year old convicts get reduced sentences ('ungdomsrabatt' or 'youth discount') which is also useful for gangs which see their members back on the streets within a short time. So going by the long-time experiment run here in Sweden the conclusion seems to be that these policies do not help in lowering the crime rate, in fact the opposite seems to be true. [1] https://www.aklagare.se/lattlast/ungdomar-brott-och-straff/sarskilda-straff-for-ungdomar/ https://www.aklagare.se/lattlast/ungdomar-brott-och-straff/s... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/26/fatal-shootings-have-risen-in-sweden-despite-fall-across-europe-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/26/fatal-shooting... [3] https://www.svensktidskrift.se/ett-parallellsamhalle-som-letat-sig-in-pa-kultursidorna/ https://www.svensktidskrift.se/ett-parallellsamhalle-som-let...