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Yes, it's a problem that there are co-dependencies with Russia. Yes, it's a grave mistake that Europe didn't untangle from those right after 2014. But not untan

Yes, it's a problem that there are co-dependencies with Russia. Yes, it's a grave mistake that Europe didn't untangle from those right after 2014. But not untangling them now would be completely brain-dead. I mean... Russia is now a rogue state carrying out scorched earth tactics, officially rewarding units guilty of war crimes (killing of civilians, rape), threatening the world with nuclear weapons, hijacking planes, stealing intellectual property in the open, etc, etc, etc... It's just... mind-blowing that there are still voices out there trying to figure out a way to 'talk it through'. That boat has long sailed.

vogre 4y ago
- jgilias 4y ago
  Nope, I can not, actually. This just doesn't correspond to reality. Name one city that has suffered the fate of Mariupol from US actions. Even NATO bombardment of Serbian cities doesn't come even close to the level of destruction that the Russians are inflicting indiscriminately.
  - at0mic22 4y ago
  - vogre 4y ago
    >Name one city that has suffered the fate of Mariupol from US actions Raqqa, Mosul, TONS of cities during WWII, including Dresden and Tokyo.
at0mic22 4y ago
So tired of those buzzwords, used with for no particular reason. Those countries reside on the border of Russia and logistics in operations were fairly easy and cheap. That fueled the business and money flow for may years. Check out https://data.stat.ee/profile/country/ee/?locale=en https://data.stat.ee/profile/country/ee/?locale=en. Russia was the second biggest trading partner, having Finland as the first. Surprisingly, if you check the trading structure of Finland, it's mostly the same Russian goods. Russia accounts in 2B trading balance of Estonian import. This is a lot for a small country. Pretty much from the beginning of 200x the most money there were made either on raw re-export of Russian goods or processing and exporting. If you have an idea of how to replace those 2B without rising costs tremendously, please share.

vogre 4y ago

jgilias 4y ago
Nope, I can not, actually. This just doesn't correspond to reality. Name one city that has suffered the fate of Mariupol from US actions. Even NATO bombardment of Serbian cities doesn't come even close to the level of destruction that the Russians are inflicting indiscriminately.
- at0mic22 4y ago
- vogre 4y ago
  >Name one city that has suffered the fate of Mariupol from US actions Raqqa, Mosul, TONS of cities during WWII, including Dresden and Tokyo.

at0mic22 4y ago

So tired of those buzzwords, used with for no particular reason. Those countries reside on the border of Russia and logistics in operations were fairly easy and cheap. That fueled the business and money flow for may years. Check out https://data.stat.ee/profile/country/ee/?locale=en https://data.stat.ee/profile/country/ee/?locale=en. Russia was the second biggest trading partner, having Finland as the first. Surprisingly, if you check the trading structure of Finland, it's mostly the same Russian goods. Russia accounts in 2B trading balance of Estonian import. This is a lot for a small country. Pretty much from the beginning of 200x the most money there were made either on raw re-export of Russian goods or processing and exporting. If you have an idea of how to replace those 2B without rising costs tremendously, please share.