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I'm sorry, but the Estonian prime minister is a Eurocrat idiot that lacks basic understanding of how either military or economy work or operate. You want to be
by rjzzleep 4y ago
I'm sorry, but the Estonian prime minister is a Eurocrat idiot that lacks basic understanding of how either military or economy work or operate. You want to be independent of Hydrocarbons and Russian commodities? Okay well the Chinese model of silently building up the capabilities to do that is one way to approach the issue. France is an even better example of the idiocy of this as France had one of the most advanced nuclear facilities on the globe. And instead of investing in it, Macron sold it off to GE, further crippling its own ability to say goodbye to Russia. Who's advising these people that they don't even have the most basic understanding of how fertilizers tie into the food supply.
I used to think that all we need in Government is fresh wind which will solve most our problems, but I'm realizing that age isn't by itself either the problem or the solution. See Biden for old age or Europe for young age destructive leadership. Apparently not all wind is fresh and some of it is rotten and smells like sewage.
I'm completely baffled at how people cannot comprehend basic co-dependencies in the economies, supply chain or whatever other part that is happening. The whole "we need to suffer to show a moral lesson" is easy for people to say that have had nothing to sacrifice and never had to work hard for anything in their life while never in history have so many people dropped out of the middle class in European societies.
EDIT: Don't drink your own kool-aid, is a good summary I've been given about the whole situation. European leaders massively overestimating their own importance and capability in the world(both economic and military) based on their own inflated GDP numbers and MIC commercials.
EDIT 2: It's unfortunate that even in such a platform there is no rational thinking about something that is objectively true based on propaganda that actually came from the other side. "Russia is this" "Russia is that".
Facts are still facts.
You need fertilizer to feed people. Fertilizers are byproducts of Gas production. Fertilizer prices have been rising because of dis-incentivization of hydrocarbons. Nuclear is still a lot cleaner than most of the green energy alternatives. It didn't start in February 2022 even though the white house would like you to believe that[1].
Even the Ombudsman for human rights of Ukraine that was recently fired for constantly lying, said that she has been lying about Russian war crimes to turn public opinion against Russia[2].
EDIT 3: The US DoJ used the FCPA(Foreign Corrupt Practices Act) to threaten the Alstom leadership to sell off to GE. GE then buys the nuclear business and dismantles its plants in 2019 contrary to previous promises[3]. For all the talk of "oh we'll just buy it back", it's unclear what exactly is being bought back, how much it costs to rebuild capabilities that were destroyed and how much of the IP is actually sold back. My guess is, very little. It's odd that people act like it's just a little blip, when it's very clearly an geopolitical attack on one of the most important parts of french infrastructure.
[1] https://agrilifetoday.tamu.edu/2022/01/12/report-analyzes-record-high-fertilizer-prices/ https://agrilifetoday.tamu.edu/2022/01/12/report-analyzes-re...
[2] https://lb.ua/news/2022/06/03/518875_lyudmila_denisova_azovtsi_z.html https://lb.ua/news/2022/06/03/518875_lyudmila_denisova_azovt...
[3] https://www.entreprendre.fr/alstom-general-electric-le-piege-americain/ https://www.entreprendre.fr/alstom-general-electric-le-piege...
- ericmay 4y ago> Okay well the Chinese model of silently building up the capabilities to do that is one way to approach the issue. Sure, but you also can't help chaotic, random events taking place that make any potential plans to do that go up in smoke. The alternative in this specific issue (i.e. not standing up to Russia) is likely just further dependency on oil/natural gas from Russia and eventually just being outright colonized because you are so dependent that you can't resist. Dropping off even at a high cost protects Estonian sovereignty.
- jgilias 4y agoIf it was _just_ getting colonized, that's one thing. The alternative for Baltics is not that benign. See Mariupol, Buchi, Irpin, etc, etc, etc...
- vogre 4y agoWhy not see Armenia or even modern Georgia, who don't use aggressive rhetorics on Russia, don't deploy NATO weapons and feel okay?
- ericmay 4y agoMainly because in the case of Estonia, for example, they don't use aggressive rhetoric toward Russia but are threatened anyway. Finland has continuously been threatened during this time despite 70+ years of balancing both the Soviet Union and NATO and while more culturally compatible with NATO they spent a lot of effort to be friendly and neutral with the USSR. Georgia was invaded in 2008 [1]. > don't deploy NATO weapons and feel okay? Estonia and other countries near Russia historically didn't really have a ton of NATO weapons deployments specifically because NATO wasn't intent on aggravating Russia. Training exercises from time to time because they're allies but that's about it. Troop buildups and weapons deployments have strictly been in response to the war in Ukraine which was launched by Russia. Sovereign states have the right under international law (law that Russia signed by the way) to choose their own defense arrangements and conduct their own affairs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War