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To me this all sounds like Apple is ready to license their CPU, let's hope!

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>To me this all sounds like Apple is ready to license their CPU Not at all. Apple only makes HW for the Apple ecosystem an that's it. Just look at everything they sell from monitors to earphones. Their functionality is crippled when not used with Apple HW because they're dependent on the Apple ecosystem to run at their full feature set. What makes you think they would suddenly reverse that? They're just not in the business of building and supporting non-Apple ecosystems.
- grishka 4y ago
  Except when there's additional money to be made. Apple Music is available on Android because that makes Apple money. But iMessage isn't because that would prevent some tiny bit of iPhone sales.
  - legalcorrection 4y ago
    I suspect Apple Music is on Android for the benefit of Apple Music users who have multiple devices, some Apple some not, and want a music service that works across all of them.
    - grishka 4y ago
      I use a Mac but an Android phone. I'd really like if things like AirDrop or FaceTime or other macOS/iOS integrations worked with Android the way they do with iPhones. I had to reverse engineer Google's Nearby Share protocol and build a (barebones and buggy and incomplete) file receiver for macOS to put an end to my misery of transferring things, primarily pictures, from my phone to my computer. But obviously Apple isn't interested in any of this; they'd rather tell me to just use an iPhone, since that would get me more hooked into their proprietary ecosystem.
      - legalcorrection 4y ago
        I guess it's a matter of weighing the potential upside of selling you on more Apple products versus the downside of making Macs and iPhones less functional (w.r.t. interoperability with other devices).
vbezhenar 4y ago
They built the tools to allow performant x86 docker containers. That's a huge pain right now. Probably in two years it'll be solved.
Tsiklon 4y ago
It absolutely would not surprise me if Apple were running a custom Linux distribution on a range of not publicly available ARM server platforms as part of their development chain. I suspect this is as much for their own benefit as it is for everyone else.
- johnwalkr 4y ago
  I’m sure this is correct. I’ve seen comments on HN multiple times about what they use Linux for in house. You can tell to some extent just from job postings too.
- samwillis 4y ago
  Somewhere I read that Apple use Linux (there own internal version) as the first target when developing their silicone, before then targeting macOS once development has progressed to a certain point. I can't find the article now though, surprising hard to google for. EDIT: It was a HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30729731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30729731 "I find it crazy because you know they developed all this hardware with Linux. Just release the darn code." "Apple does bringup with Linux because the silicon team doesn’t necessarily want to deal with getting the Darwin team involved during validation." Worth reading the whole thread, some interesting insights and insider(?) info.

>To me this all sounds like Apple is ready to license their CPU Not at all. Apple only makes HW for the Apple ecosystem an that's it. Just look at everything they sell from monitors to earphones. Their functionality is crippled when not used with Apple HW because they're dependent on the Apple ecosystem to run at their full feature set. What makes you think they would suddenly reverse that? They're just not in the business of building and supporting non-Apple ecosystems.

grishka 4y ago
Except when there's additional money to be made. Apple Music is available on Android because that makes Apple money. But iMessage isn't because that would prevent some tiny bit of iPhone sales.
- legalcorrection 4y ago
  I suspect Apple Music is on Android for the benefit of Apple Music users who have multiple devices, some Apple some not, and want a music service that works across all of them.
  - grishka 4y ago
    I use a Mac but an Android phone. I'd really like if things like AirDrop or FaceTime or other macOS/iOS integrations worked with Android the way they do with iPhones. I had to reverse engineer Google's Nearby Share protocol and build a (barebones and buggy and incomplete) file receiver for macOS to put an end to my misery of transferring things, primarily pictures, from my phone to my computer. But obviously Apple isn't interested in any of this; they'd rather tell me to just use an iPhone, since that would get me more hooked into their proprietary ecosystem.
    - legalcorrection 4y ago
      I guess it's a matter of weighing the potential upside of selling you on more Apple products versus the downside of making Macs and iPhones less functional (w.r.t. interoperability with other devices).

vbezhenar 4y ago

They built the tools to allow performant x86 docker containers. That's a huge pain right now. Probably in two years it'll be solved.

Tsiklon 4y ago

It absolutely would not surprise me if Apple were running a custom Linux distribution on a range of not publicly available ARM server platforms as part of their development chain. I suspect this is as much for their own benefit as it is for everyone else.

johnwalkr 4y ago
I’m sure this is correct. I’ve seen comments on HN multiple times about what they use Linux for in house. You can tell to some extent just from job postings too.
samwillis 4y ago
Somewhere I read that Apple use Linux (there own internal version) as the first target when developing their silicone, before then targeting macOS once development has progressed to a certain point. I can't find the article now though, surprising hard to google for. EDIT: It was a HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30729731 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30729731 "I find it crazy because you know they developed all this hardware with Linux. Just release the darn code." "Apple does bringup with Linux because the silicon team doesn’t necessarily want to deal with getting the Darwin team involved during validation." Worth reading the whole thread, some interesting insights and insider(?) info.