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Hope he’s doing well.

guessmyname 4y ago
> Hope he’s doing well. AFAIK @eevee [1] identifies as she/her [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eevee https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eevee [2] https://twitter.com/eevee https://twitter.com/eevee
- morelisp 4y ago
  - Elinvynia 4y ago
    - morelisp 4y ago
      - lostcolony 4y ago
        Is it? I've never heard a person introduce themselves as "woman". I've heard people identify themselves with their pronouns plenty of times. In fact, given the links, literally all I see from eevee is their preferred pronouns, not "woman". I don't see anyone even calling out that she's trans (is she?), just correcting a misconception from the original comment that she uses he/him pronouns. Those particular pronouns may imply being a woman (I don't know enough to venture an opinion there; certainly I've seen people use combinations of pronouns such as "she/them" that don't make such an implication straightforward), but calling out the pronouns she uses to identify herself seems like a perfectly natural response to correct someone using the wrong pronouns, and not some sort of 'gotcha' to differentiate someone being trans (doubly when it's not at all apparent she's trans), especially when the person in question...identified themselves with those pronouns.
        morelisp 4y ago
        wollsmoth 4y ago
        >calling out the pronouns she uses to identify herself seems like a perfectly natural response to correct someone using the wrong pronouns I feel like this pronouns thing started up in just the past few years. To me it seems more natural to say someone is a man/woman. If someone doesn't fit into one of those boxes then I think it makes sense to clarify the preferred pronouns.
        lostcolony 4y ago
        >> If someone doesn't fit into one of those boxes That's kind of the point of using them though. The goal is to -stop- saying "you either fit into this gender binary, or you are 'other'". It's kinda like normalizing the use of "partner" instead of "husband/wife" even for the straight married people; it helps normalize relationships that fall outside of monogamous, state recognized marriage, and doesn't force gender definitions (what if you're in a committed relationship, or married, to an NB person?) or force releasing sexuality just to indicate you're in a relationship (i.e., the person maybe doesn't want the fact they're gay to come up in this setting). Providing your own pronouns, even if you're cisgendered, is a form of allyship; you're normalizing it, and helping create space for those whose pronouns don't match how they present to provide theirs.
        chimchiminey 4y ago
        morelisp 4y ago
        wollsmoth 4y ago
        Yeah I think I understand the push towards that. I'm saying it's not really a "normal" thing. I live in a pretty liberal area and have yet to hear someone announce their pronouns. I sometimes see it listed in someone's slack or twitter bio or something though. Generally we're just running on context clues and stuff.
  - twamtwam 4y ago

> Hope he’s doing well. AFAIK @eevee [1] identifies as she/her [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eevee https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=eevee [2] https://twitter.com/eevee https://twitter.com/eevee

morelisp 4y ago
- Elinvynia 4y ago
  - morelisp 4y ago
    - lostcolony 4y ago
      Is it? I've never heard a person introduce themselves as "woman". I've heard people identify themselves with their pronouns plenty of times. In fact, given the links, literally all I see from eevee is their preferred pronouns, not "woman". I don't see anyone even calling out that she's trans (is she?), just correcting a misconception from the original comment that she uses he/him pronouns. Those particular pronouns may imply being a woman (I don't know enough to venture an opinion there; certainly I've seen people use combinations of pronouns such as "she/them" that don't make such an implication straightforward), but calling out the pronouns she uses to identify herself seems like a perfectly natural response to correct someone using the wrong pronouns, and not some sort of 'gotcha' to differentiate someone being trans (doubly when it's not at all apparent she's trans), especially when the person in question...identified themselves with those pronouns.
      - morelisp 4y ago
      - wollsmoth 4y ago
        >calling out the pronouns she uses to identify herself seems like a perfectly natural response to correct someone using the wrong pronouns I feel like this pronouns thing started up in just the past few years. To me it seems more natural to say someone is a man/woman. If someone doesn't fit into one of those boxes then I think it makes sense to clarify the preferred pronouns.
        lostcolony 4y ago
        >> If someone doesn't fit into one of those boxes That's kind of the point of using them though. The goal is to -stop- saying "you either fit into this gender binary, or you are 'other'". It's kinda like normalizing the use of "partner" instead of "husband/wife" even for the straight married people; it helps normalize relationships that fall outside of monogamous, state recognized marriage, and doesn't force gender definitions (what if you're in a committed relationship, or married, to an NB person?) or force releasing sexuality just to indicate you're in a relationship (i.e., the person maybe doesn't want the fact they're gay to come up in this setting). Providing your own pronouns, even if you're cisgendered, is a form of allyship; you're normalizing it, and helping create space for those whose pronouns don't match how they present to provide theirs.
        chimchiminey 4y ago
        morelisp 4y ago
        wollsmoth 4y ago
        Yeah I think I understand the push towards that. I'm saying it's not really a "normal" thing. I live in a pretty liberal area and have yet to hear someone announce their pronouns. I sometimes see it listed in someone's slack or twitter bio or something though. Generally we're just running on context clues and stuff.
- twamtwam 4y ago