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Very nice, but there probably shouldn't be a setting for this and it should be the default behavior. I hate it when there are tons of unintelligible knobs on an

Very nice, but there probably shouldn't be a setting for this and it should be the default behavior. I hate it when there are tons of unintelligible knobs on an application if everything could be computed automatically.

dottedmag 4y ago
Even worse when you have an application with no knobs, and "automatic computation" — essentially a heuristic as in this case — gets its wrong.
- returnzero 4y ago
  Given the number of platforms that RetroArch runs defaulting any new behaviour to off makes sense. Particularly for features like this which are global.
poglet 4y ago
I've spent hours and hours trying to get controls working correctly in RetroArch. There are independent controls for the menu, cores then individual roms. There have been so many times where I've accidentally locked myself out of the menu controls causing the need to SSH into the device to fix it up.
- fb03 4y ago
  RetroArch is very nice but I do agree with has sadly fallen into MAME input configuration territory. All it needs is better defaults.
  - j-james 4y ago
    I think the move to Ozone as the default UI was a big step forward in this regard.
  - pezezin 4y ago
    Maybe I haven't found the right settings, but I would say that RetroArch is significantly worse than MAME. MAME will show you the relevant inputs for the running machine, whatever they are: sticks, trackballs, button, pedals, you name it. RetroArch will show a generic configuration menu without taking into account each machine's peculiarities. For example, I have a Megadrive-like 6-button controller and I'm trying to configure a Megadrive core... no luck, you can only configure an SNES-like controller with A, B, X, Y, L and R. Where are C and Z? Apparently you need to hand-edit some text files, and pray to the Machine God that it will work.
- willis936 4y ago
  Boy howdy do I know this pain. Even worse is initial setup can't bootstrap without M+KB.
0x49d1 4y ago
Was shocked too. It probably should really have just a reasonable "defaults" + "ADVANCED" menu with all that tuning... Anyway for me default fine in all the games I've tried.
Hamcha 4y ago
Agreed, but I can also see why they would hesitate a bit with RetroArch being used in all sorts of scenarios, some that come to mind: - Powerful computers (so should be on by default) - Embedded devices (ON or OFF depending how well it works and how much more CPU it uses) - Portable emulation devices (totally should be off to save battery life) It's hard to come up with a sensible default here, especially when a lot of people might upgrade, see the game runs worse/uses more battery and downgrade right away before inspecting changes.
- 6yyyyyy 4y ago
  How does this use more battery power? Seems like it just does the same work at a different time.
  - Hamcha 4y ago
    That's my bad, you are correct! My assumption was that frame delay exploits the fact that CPU are way faster than original hardware (hence you can defer computation later since it will take less anyway) and since the most common trick to increase battery life is to slow down the CPU, eating away at your extra budget, you would want frame delay disabled, but that is definitely not correct. If anything, Automatic Frame Delay would probably help letting you tune in CPU speeds without worrying too much about adjusting the Frame Delay as well.
  - stavros 4y ago
    Doesn't it? Smaller delay means more fps, and thus more processing power.
rektide 4y ago
> I hate it when there are tons of unintelligible knobs on an application Fore-warning, for your sake, dont use RetroArch!! It's a huge huge tweakfest, page after page of tweaking. RetroArch, i think rightfully, targets power users.

dottedmag 4y ago

Even worse when you have an application with no knobs, and "automatic computation" — essentially a heuristic as in this case — gets its wrong.

returnzero 4y ago
Given the number of platforms that RetroArch runs defaulting any new behaviour to off makes sense. Particularly for features like this which are global.

poglet 4y ago

I've spent hours and hours trying to get controls working correctly in RetroArch. There are independent controls for the menu, cores then individual roms. There have been so many times where I've accidentally locked myself out of the menu controls causing the need to SSH into the device to fix it up.

fb03 4y ago
RetroArch is very nice but I do agree with has sadly fallen into MAME input configuration territory. All it needs is better defaults.
- j-james 4y ago
  I think the move to Ozone as the default UI was a big step forward in this regard.
- pezezin 4y ago
  Maybe I haven't found the right settings, but I would say that RetroArch is significantly worse than MAME. MAME will show you the relevant inputs for the running machine, whatever they are: sticks, trackballs, button, pedals, you name it. RetroArch will show a generic configuration menu without taking into account each machine's peculiarities. For example, I have a Megadrive-like 6-button controller and I'm trying to configure a Megadrive core... no luck, you can only configure an SNES-like controller with A, B, X, Y, L and R. Where are C and Z? Apparently you need to hand-edit some text files, and pray to the Machine God that it will work.
willis936 4y ago
Boy howdy do I know this pain. Even worse is initial setup can't bootstrap without M+KB.

0x49d1 4y ago

Was shocked too. It probably should really have just a reasonable "defaults" + "ADVANCED" menu with all that tuning... Anyway for me default fine in all the games I've tried.

Hamcha 4y ago

Agreed, but I can also see why they would hesitate a bit with RetroArch being used in all sorts of scenarios, some that come to mind: - Powerful computers (so should be on by default) - Embedded devices (ON or OFF depending how well it works and how much more CPU it uses) - Portable emulation devices (totally should be off to save battery life) It's hard to come up with a sensible default here, especially when a lot of people might upgrade, see the game runs worse/uses more battery and downgrade right away before inspecting changes.

6yyyyyy 4y ago
How does this use more battery power? Seems like it just does the same work at a different time.
- Hamcha 4y ago
  That's my bad, you are correct! My assumption was that frame delay exploits the fact that CPU are way faster than original hardware (hence you can defer computation later since it will take less anyway) and since the most common trick to increase battery life is to slow down the CPU, eating away at your extra budget, you would want frame delay disabled, but that is definitely not correct. If anything, Automatic Frame Delay would probably help letting you tune in CPU speeds without worrying too much about adjusting the Frame Delay as well.
- stavros 4y ago
  Doesn't it? Smaller delay means more fps, and thus more processing power.

rektide 4y ago

> I hate it when there are tons of unintelligible knobs on an application Fore-warning, for your sake, dont use RetroArch!! It's a huge huge tweakfest, page after page of tweaking. RetroArch, i think rightfully, targets power users.