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>Crime overall has fallen since Mr. Boudin took office in January 2020 lol, that's pretty easy to do when you just stop prosecuting people. Same way graduation

>Crime overall has fallen since Mr. Boudin took office in January 2020 lol, that's pretty easy to do when you just stop prosecuting people. Same way graduation rates increase if you just stop failing people. Who cares about the actual purpose of institutions or whether goals are being achieved, just make sure the numbers are what we want https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1533544746173571079 https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1533544746173571079

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rajup 4y ago
> lol, that's pretty easy to do when you just stop prosecuting people. Same way graduation rates increase if you just stop failing people. Or the way COVID cases drop when you stop testing!
mrtksn 4y ago
This can't be simple as a corrupt or lazy prosecutor, right? What is the full story here?
- usrn 4y ago
  A prosecutor who was captured by ideology.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    care to expand on that?
    - ardit33 4y ago
      DA parents were domestic terrorists jailed or murder (google it) So he was raised with parents in jail and became a defendant attorney. He took power he took revenge on the system and people by stopping prosecuting people in the name of social justice, and letting crime run rampant. Straight out of a Batman movie, just in real life there is no Batman to save SF. People had enough and are revolting against this lying lunatic. Good riddance.
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        Interesting. However your explanation does not look exactly impartial, what is the story from their side of things? It also looks stupid and petty to "take revenge" from the system when the system can expel you before you actually do any significant damage. Wouldn't be more logical to rise to the top and bring it down from there by playing the system?
        rajup 4y ago
        > what is the story from their side of things? That crime is going down (but see grand-grand-grand parent's point about less prosecutions). That these policies actually help the homeless or reduces crime(initial evidence does not look good). That voters voting for recall are brain-washed by misinformation from Republicans (?!. Ah yes the classic misinformation bogeyman misleading the poor gullible voters).
jacobolus 4y ago
Judging from the chart, looks like about a 20% drop in felony prosecutions in 2020/2021 compared to a typical previous year, plus a larger drop in the number of misdemeanor prosecutions. (Which, note, are separate statistics from the number of reported crimes.) The once-in-a-century pandemic also had significant effects here, both on the DA office and courts, and on the level/types of crime in the city, making it hard to get a clear causal story about the relation between prosecution decisions vs. crime rates. What is the “actual purpose” of the DA’s office in your view: to prosecute as many cases as possible, irrespective of circumstances?
- ak217 4y ago
  Yes. In our adversarial justice system, we rely on the DA to eagerly prosecute, the defense attorney or public defender to eagerly defend, the judge or jury to render the verdict, and the legislature to pass laws. Trying to compensate for dysfunction in one system by introducing dysfunction in another only makes the issues worse. Boudin was a public defender, and a pretty good one at that. He carried the public defender mindset into the DA's office, and it didn't work well. (You edited your comment to add "irrespective of circumstances", which changes the meaning. There will always be gray areas where we rely on the judge or the DA to exercise discretion, but in a healthy system the scope of those areas can't amount to refusing to enforce entire statutes or reinterpreting statutes by executive policy.)
  - itsdrewmiller 4y ago
    We expect eager prosecution in the courtroom, but DAs should exercise discretion about when to bring charges at all. I have not followed this story close enough to have an opinion about its application in San Francisco, but nationally I feel pretty confident we should be dialing the knob down not up.
tempsy 4y ago
I live in SF but don’t fully buy into the idea that any rise or fall in overall crime is on him. He entered office right before Covid hit and there’s a dozen different factors that could have played a role here. Regardless it’s clear property crime is bad and downtown is still a ghost town with every other store deserted and companies don’t want to host conferences here anymore. I don’t think anyone believes recalling him with magically fix any of these issues. To me I see it as more symbolic and a sort of public venting among voters of being fed up with quality of life issues that rarely seem to be top of mind of politicians anymore, and recalling a progressive DA sends a clear message.
- peanuty1 4y ago
  You don't think being soft on crime has an effect on overall crime?
remarkEon 4y ago
The more I read about this guy the more he sounds like a villain in Season Six of The Wire.
stillbourne 4y ago
Yeah, what we need is more police state!

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rajup 4y ago

> lol, that's pretty easy to do when you just stop prosecuting people. Same way graduation rates increase if you just stop failing people. Or the way COVID cases drop when you stop testing!

mrtksn 4y ago

This can't be simple as a corrupt or lazy prosecutor, right? What is the full story here?

usrn 4y ago
A prosecutor who was captured by ideology.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  care to expand on that?
  - ardit33 4y ago
    DA parents were domestic terrorists jailed or murder (google it) So he was raised with parents in jail and became a defendant attorney. He took power he took revenge on the system and people by stopping prosecuting people in the name of social justice, and letting crime run rampant. Straight out of a Batman movie, just in real life there is no Batman to save SF. People had enough and are revolting against this lying lunatic. Good riddance.
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      Interesting. However your explanation does not look exactly impartial, what is the story from their side of things? It also looks stupid and petty to "take revenge" from the system when the system can expel you before you actually do any significant damage. Wouldn't be more logical to rise to the top and bring it down from there by playing the system?
      - rajup 4y ago
        > what is the story from their side of things? That crime is going down (but see grand-grand-grand parent's point about less prosecutions). That these policies actually help the homeless or reduces crime(initial evidence does not look good). That voters voting for recall are brain-washed by misinformation from Republicans (?!. Ah yes the classic misinformation bogeyman misleading the poor gullible voters).

jacobolus 4y ago

Judging from the chart, looks like about a 20% drop in felony prosecutions in 2020/2021 compared to a typical previous year, plus a larger drop in the number of misdemeanor prosecutions. (Which, note, are separate statistics from the number of reported crimes.) The once-in-a-century pandemic also had significant effects here, both on the DA office and courts, and on the level/types of crime in the city, making it hard to get a clear causal story about the relation between prosecution decisions vs. crime rates. What is the “actual purpose” of the DA’s office in your view: to prosecute as many cases as possible, irrespective of circumstances?

ak217 4y ago
Yes. In our adversarial justice system, we rely on the DA to eagerly prosecute, the defense attorney or public defender to eagerly defend, the judge or jury to render the verdict, and the legislature to pass laws. Trying to compensate for dysfunction in one system by introducing dysfunction in another only makes the issues worse. Boudin was a public defender, and a pretty good one at that. He carried the public defender mindset into the DA's office, and it didn't work well. (You edited your comment to add "irrespective of circumstances", which changes the meaning. There will always be gray areas where we rely on the judge or the DA to exercise discretion, but in a healthy system the scope of those areas can't amount to refusing to enforce entire statutes or reinterpreting statutes by executive policy.)
- itsdrewmiller 4y ago
  We expect eager prosecution in the courtroom, but DAs should exercise discretion about when to bring charges at all. I have not followed this story close enough to have an opinion about its application in San Francisco, but nationally I feel pretty confident we should be dialing the knob down not up.

tempsy 4y ago

I live in SF but don’t fully buy into the idea that any rise or fall in overall crime is on him. He entered office right before Covid hit and there’s a dozen different factors that could have played a role here. Regardless it’s clear property crime is bad and downtown is still a ghost town with every other store deserted and companies don’t want to host conferences here anymore. I don’t think anyone believes recalling him with magically fix any of these issues. To me I see it as more symbolic and a sort of public venting among voters of being fed up with quality of life issues that rarely seem to be top of mind of politicians anymore, and recalling a progressive DA sends a clear message.

peanuty1 4y ago
You don't think being soft on crime has an effect on overall crime?

remarkEon 4y ago

The more I read about this guy the more he sounds like a villain in Season Six of The Wire.

stillbourne 4y ago

Yeah, what we need is more police state!