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I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here. The police is the one who ends up making determinations right? Along with the whole "17 days without kno

by rtpg 4y ago

I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here. The police is the one who ends up making determinations right? Along with the whole "17 days without knowing what the crime was"... What was going on with the justice system here? Of course AA is a component in the events that lead up to his arrest, but surely our justice system should not just arrest people on AA's word and not provide any recourse. Why are we putting shoplifters into a jail cell for 17 days _even if you knew they were shoplifters_. How does a judge look at this situation and determine that this person is a flight risk? There are so many points where humans could have intervened and stemmed the damage, but didn't.

andreareina 4y ago
Both are at fault, but good luck getting a judgement against the state.
idontpost 4y ago
> but surely our justice system should not just arrest people on AA's word and not provide any recourse If you are still ignorant enough to believe that, I have 1024 bridges to sell you in the tri-state area.
- rtpg 4y ago
  I meant my statement to be about what things should be like. I am shocked at this case, but I am not too naive to believe that the justice system in the US (and elsewhere) is close to what it should be. If society wants things to be better, repeating how we think things should be over and over is helpful! It's better to have a place to go, rather than just declare we are not in the right place. Guess I'm a bit naive.
sk5t 4y ago
> I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here The article indicates that AA inexplicably identified the victim alone as the perpetrator, rather than sharing the passenger list with police. One imagines they'll be facing many, many millions in damages for such negligence.
- rtpg 4y ago
  But... I mean.... AA says "this is the guy". Police says "OK", they go to person, who says "wait what?". Police had the footage right? I imagine that AA is not doing something out of malice. Maybe everyone who is arrested claims they're innocent, but if you're going to put someone in jail for 2 weeks you better have good evidence! Yeah, maybe it's annoying, but so what? Everyone has to do annoying shit for work.
  - tehwebguy 4y ago
    Right, police are the perpetrators here. The problem is that they exist to protect wealth & property (AA, DFW shops), not people.
    - solveit 4y ago
      That is just inaccurate, the police don't even do a good job of that. The police, like every other bureaucracy with unchecked power, exists to perpetuate itself and enrich its members. This is not specific to the police except insofar as the police are exceptionally powerful and unchecked, and it is less a conspiracy of the powerful and more a typical dysfunction of government taken to an atypical extreme.
  - _delirium 4y ago
    > Yeah, maybe it's annoying, but so what? Everyone has to do annoying shit for work. Have you ever interacted with American cops? They are on average completely useless, either unwilling or unable to follow their job description. Some of it isn't even any individual officer's fault (training is a joke, no performance standards, dysfunctional culture). But the end result is that they don't make up a high-quality set of civil servants, even by the not-very-high standards of American civil servants.
    - rtpg 4y ago
      Would be good for things to be better!
- 4y ago
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> our justice system should not just arrest people on AA's word and not provide any recourse There is recourse against the government. But it's long and winding and expensive. A private airline is under different constraints. I'm surprised AAs' lawyers let it get this far without settling. (Unless the plaintiff jumped the gun, in which case he likely gave up his strongest card.)
throwaway742 4y ago
qualified immunity
garyfirestorm 4y ago
> There are so many points where humans could have intervened and stemmed the damage, but didn't. There are so many points where humans intervened and ensured the damage was inflicted!
caf 4y ago
I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here. In a situation where multiple parties have wronged you, you can bring suit against any of them. In this case, the State has immunity and the individual at AA likely doesn't have enough assets to be worth suing. That leaves AA potentially holding the bag.

by rtpg 4y ago

andreareina 4y ago

Both are at fault, but good luck getting a judgement against the state.

idontpost 4y ago

> but surely our justice system should not just arrest people on AA's word and not provide any recourse If you are still ignorant enough to believe that, I have 1024 bridges to sell you in the tri-state area.

rtpg 4y ago
I meant my statement to be about what things should be like. I am shocked at this case, but I am not too naive to believe that the justice system in the US (and elsewhere) is close to what it should be. If society wants things to be better, repeating how we think things should be over and over is helpful! It's better to have a place to go, rather than just declare we are not in the right place. Guess I'm a bit naive.

sk5t 4y ago

> I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here The article indicates that AA inexplicably identified the victim alone as the perpetrator, rather than sharing the passenger list with police. One imagines they'll be facing many, many millions in damages for such negligence.

rtpg 4y ago
But... I mean.... AA says "this is the guy". Police says "OK", they go to person, who says "wait what?". Police had the footage right? I imagine that AA is not doing something out of malice. Maybe everyone who is arrested claims they're innocent, but if you're going to put someone in jail for 2 weeks you better have good evidence! Yeah, maybe it's annoying, but so what? Everyone has to do annoying shit for work.
- tehwebguy 4y ago
  Right, police are the perpetrators here. The problem is that they exist to protect wealth & property (AA, DFW shops), not people.
  - solveit 4y ago
    That is just inaccurate, the police don't even do a good job of that. The police, like every other bureaucracy with unchecked power, exists to perpetuate itself and enrich its members. This is not specific to the police except insofar as the police are exceptionally powerful and unchecked, and it is less a conspiracy of the powerful and more a typical dysfunction of government taken to an atypical extreme.
- _delirium 4y ago
  > Yeah, maybe it's annoying, but so what? Everyone has to do annoying shit for work. Have you ever interacted with American cops? They are on average completely useless, either unwilling or unable to follow their job description. Some of it isn't even any individual officer's fault (training is a joke, no performance standards, dysfunctional culture). But the end result is that they don't make up a high-quality set of civil servants, even by the not-very-high standards of American civil servants.
  - rtpg 4y ago
    Would be good for things to be better!
4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> our justice system should not just arrest people on AA's word and not provide any recourse There is recourse against the government. But it's long and winding and expensive. A private airline is under different constraints. I'm surprised AAs' lawyers let it get this far without settling. (Unless the plaintiff jumped the gun, in which case he likely gave up his strongest card.)

throwaway742 4y ago

qualified immunity

garyfirestorm 4y ago

> There are so many points where humans could have intervened and stemmed the damage, but didn't. There are so many points where humans intervened and ensured the damage was inflicted!

caf 4y ago

I don't understand how AA is the one getting sued here. In a situation where multiple parties have wronged you, you can bring suit against any of them. In this case, the State has immunity and the individual at AA likely doesn't have enough assets to be worth suing. That leaves AA potentially holding the bag.