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ACCC: Airbnb allegedly misled Australians about accommodation prices

98 points by lysp 4y ago

jen729w 4y ago
Related: Airbnb and apparently Booking.com are billing Australian customers from overseas, causing customers to incur a bank service charge. This isn't revealed to the customer in any way. Don't know how this is legal, but the ACCC needs to jump all over it either way. This happened to me a while back and I went ape on Twitter and got the charges refunded by Airbnb. But that's not how it should work.
- cottsak 4y ago
  link to twitter thread?
  - jen729w 4y ago
    I delete my tweets, sorry. It was a few years ago now.
- usr1106 4y ago
  How does that work? Billing from overseas in AUD or in a foreign currency? Of course if billed in a foreign currency there will be exchange fees. In Europe the exchange fees need to be specified spearately nowdays. For my monthly AWS bill of some 5 USD I get a separate message every time how much the bank or credit card company earned on the fly. Is the currency billed the same as the currency displayed on the site?
  - jen729w 4y ago
    All prices were displayed as AUD and there was no indication whatsoever that the billing would occur overseas. But it did, and my bank charged me their fees as one would expect them to do. The Booking.com issue is much more recent. See this letter [0] in the Fairfax 'Traveller letters' column of May 6 2022. "I have been using this booking.com for many years. As a Genius member I received discounts on bookings and more. Last year I booked accommodation and was shocked to see that I had been charged an overseas transaction fee of nearly $50. Enquiries to booking.com were time wasting and fruitless. They blamed the hotel and were of no assistance at all. I eventually found through my bank that the charges were being routed through Amsterdam." — Peter Frederics, Balmain, NSW Similarly my partner ordered flowers last year from a supposedly regional florist and was billed from an overseas system, incurring charges. It happens frequently, and it ought to be illegal in my view. It's cool if you want to offshore your processing to save money: but you have to tell me. [0]: https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-i-was-charged-overseas-transaction-fees-for-local-hotel-via-booking-website-h23l4w https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-i-was-charged...
    - usr1106 4y ago
      Still not following what you mean by billing overseas. I would understand what billing in a different currency means and obviously that causes fees. If you are billed in your domestic currency the location should not be relevant to my understanding. But I have little exposure to how things work in Australia. Edit: It has never happened to me that I was billed in a different currency than what was displayed a checkout. However, sometimes there is a little checkbox preselected that they would do the conversion into the currency of my card. I always unselect that. Haven't seen a single case where the rate of my bank would not have been better.
      - jen729w 4y ago
        Airbnb and Booking.com show you a price in AUD. You fully expect to be billed in AUD, from an Australian entity. The company bills you in AUD but from a billing entity overseas. This might be like the situation where you choose in which currency to be billed, I'm not sure on the exact mechanics. But close enough. Crucially, you are not informed that you are being billed from an overseas entity. No indication whatsoever. Your bank, seeing a charge from an overseas entity, applies their surcharges. Whatever they are. And so you pay the amount you expected to pay - totally cool - plus some surprise surcharge - totally uncool.
        usr1106 4y ago
        If the billing location is relevant for the fees, one would assume that consumer protection legislation requires to display the billing location before the transaction is approved. Whether all foreign businesses will follow the rules is another story. But if no such rule even exists that seems to be a gap in Australian consumer laws. (And as a sibling comment indicates in the US. But the US is generally more business-friendly than consumer-friendly, so I am not surprised.)
      - CaptainZapp 4y ago
        > Haven't seen a single case where the rate of my bank would not have been better. Smart move. You can be sure that when a bank offers you convenience, it's not to your advantage. The absolute worst are ATMs, where a "guaranteed exchange rate" can cost you 50 - 100 Euros, depending on the amount withdrawn.
boberoni 4y ago
I feel bad for those who were misled. Some of them ended up paying up to 25% more than they expected. >>> “Despite thousands of consumers complaining to Airbnb about the way prices were displayed, Airbnb didn’t amend its booking platform until after the ACCC raised the issue.” This quote seems to indicate that Airbnb only started to care after threats from the ACCC.
- cottsak 4y ago
  The ACCC wouldn't allege "Airbnb engaged in further misleading or deceptive conduct by telling many of them that it had displayed prices in US dollars because the user had selected this currency, when this was often not the case" without good evidence. I also never encountered this during all of my bookings over the timeframe mentioned (2018-2021) making me think that I had a selection of AUD in the Preferred Currency settings https://www.airbnb.com.au/account-settings/preferences https://www.airbnb.com.au/account-settings/preferences So I must assume that a default selection of USD or (no default) setting was the one affecting these customers. Strange that Airbnb, with their widely regarded bleeding user experience, still chose to render $ amounts without the default? "USD" qualifier. Was this really deliberate? Seems likely given their attention to details like this.
  - skissane 4y ago
    > Strange that Airbnb, with their widely regarded bleeding user experience, still chose to render $ amounts without the default? "USD" qualifier. > Was this really deliberate? Seems likely given their attention to details like this. Random guess: maybe some US customers are confused by (or even just dislike) seeing "US$" or "USD" as opposed to just "$"? If enough US customers are like this (or even just if Airbnb believes that they are), that might influence a decision to just display "$" when they think (however wrongly) the customer is from the US. I've never used Airbnb, so can't comment on their UX specifically, but I've seen before web sites run by US companies which offer their services to non-US customers, but have a UX which starts out by assuming you are in the US, and you sometimes have to go out of your way to tell them that you are not, and it is easy to miss doing so.
bigDinosaur 4y ago
Airbnb has always been highly misleading with the prices. You never pay what you think you will at the start of the transaction IME.
- tinco 4y ago
  I've never experienced that, how is the price different? I've always payed upfront with a credit card, never any surprises.
  - mcast 4y ago
    I think they mean the total price shown on the search result page and the final reservation page are different.
    - dannyw 4y ago
      Not in Australia, it's the exact same price.
      - rajup 4y ago
        Even in the USA it seems to depend on the length of stay. For 28 days or less, the search pages has a per-night rate AND the total next to it, that includes cleaning fees, taxes etc, i.e the exact price you would pay. For monthly or more stays it does not seem to show the total which seems like a very inconsistent user experience.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    I booked a place in Singapore for 30 days. Searched, found a place available for 30 days. It says 100% refundable. So I booked it. Received the notification. Great. 4 weeks before I was due to go to the place, Taiwan border opened up and we flew over asap. I had to cancel. Turns out they had hidden in the terms and conditions, not presented anywhere. If a booking is over 28 days it’s up to the owner to decide on refund policy, and the owner had decided it’s not refundable. So fuck Airbnb. I could have booked the same place on Agoda for about $200 more and had 100% cancellation as long as I cancel 24 hours before checkin. I’ll use agoda in the future.
viknesh 4y ago
Completely insane given how most websites default to the local currency based on IP, Airbnb included. I just visited the site logged-out, from a non-US IP address, and although the home page claimed to be in the local currency, it actually displayed USD prices. I can't imagine how confusing it would be for countries that actually use the dollar symbol.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Probably always a good idea to show the currency anyway to avoid any confusion. It's reasonably common to see something like A$10 or AUD$10 which is quite clear.
  - johnwalkr 4y ago
    Should always be easily changeable too. It’s down to personal preference which currency is preferred when traveling. One might need to check a hotel rate in Europe against a company policy in USD, for example.
usr1106 4y ago
Stopped using them years ago. As a European I expect to pay the price that is advertised in the beginning, nothing more. No taxes and fees added later, that's just illegal. Of course there are also shady European businesses that break the rules, but Airbnb was a clear, systematic offender. Additionally I remember when travelling to non-Euro countries they insisted that I have to pay in Euro "for my convenience", of course the conversion rate was significantly worse than what my bank would have offered. (I checked by visiting the site in local currency of the host.) I don't need the convenience of being cheated. If I couldn't handle different currencies, I would stop travelling there. Edit: Obviously for the Australian customers mentioned in the article they were less concerned about convenience. But the pattern of doing business unfavorable for the customer is the same.
gojomo 4y ago
Of course, AirBnB misleads everyone by hiding key costs from sorted comparison views of the 'average nightly rate'. It is also clearly a company-wide value to mislead, as their subsidiary HotelTonight does the same thing with regard to hiding extra fees in the small print.
- solar-ice 4y ago
  > Of course, AirBnB misleads everyone by hiding key costs from sorted comparison views of the 'average nightly rate'. This does not seem to be the case in Germany - the average nightly rate, for me, includes "cleaning fees" and "service fees". Consider lobbying your Government for laws which require companies to state their prices accurately up-front. Stating the facts of how much something costs is not a place where "innovation" should exist.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    IIRC it's an EU-wide thing, at least since airlines were forced to include "airport taxes" and similar in the price shown upfront.
- puranjay 4y ago
  its very rare that I find Airbnbs cheaper than hotel rooms. Airbnbs are now exclusively for the rare trip that lasts longer than a week where I largely intend to stay inside. In tourist places, I've also found that hotels are much better located
- ivanvanderbyl 4y ago
  hoteltonight is owned by Booking.com Edit: I was wrong
coding123 4y ago
I wonder if we need an entire CS work-over for this, like everything else we engineers do: instead of using text to display any given dollar sign, we should emit <money currency="USD">15.23</money> and allow only the browser to display from there - if the user is seeing their own currency, then it would just show a normal $ (or the one they typically see). But if it is not their currency, the browser should emit: $15.23 USD. Basically treat it like times - always pass the Z time, but let the browser render the local time.
- dmurray 4y ago
  Foreign exchange is more complicated than that because exchange rates also have a time component: a price of 1 USD is not unconditionally equal to 1.40 AUD just because that's the exchange rate today. If I agree to a contract to pay 1400 AUD in a month's time (at check-in to my accommodation) I'm not OK with learning that I actually owe 1500 AUD, because my agreement was to pay 1000 USD and the rate has gone up from 1.40 to 1.50. Platforms like Airbnb don't always get this right, either, but they can at least specify the deal unambiguously in the fine print even when they display something else, and they should be able to accept payment of my 1400 AUD up front and take on (or hedge) any FX risk themselves.
  - niij 4y ago
    Their comment was just to disambiguate, when necessary, the various dollars, rials, yens, pesos, etc. Not for the browser to do currency conversions.
sgtnoodle 4y ago
The first time I tried to use Airbnb, they confirmed my reservation and charged my credit card. They then texted me a few hours later insisting I upload a profile picture or they would cancel my reservation. I didn't, and so they cancelled the reservation. I was just trying to book a cottage in my local area, so I tried to exchange contact info with the host through the messaging system, but they filtered out our phone numbers then presumably shadow-blocked us from further correspondence. I have no sympathy for Airbnb.
- holografix 4y ago
  So you’re upset that Airbnb tried to reduce the number of scammers/bots on their platform by requiring profile photos and because they tried to stop you for using them to to direct deals with the supplier and cut them out?
  - manicdee 4y ago
    How does a profile picture prevent scammers and bots?
  - sgtnoodle 4y ago
    They literally cut themselves out of the deal after making it. If a profile picture was important to them to the point of being necessary for a reservation, they should have insisted on me providing a profile picture before ever giving me a confirmation or charging my credit card. They were clearly implementing a dark pattern to coerce people to upload a profile picture based on a sunk cost fallacy, probably because a lot of people would choose not to use their service rather than upload a profile photo.
TrackerFF 4y ago
Used them in the start - but with time Airbnb ended up getting as expensive as hotels, without the convenience of downtown locations.
- CaptainZapp 4y ago
  There are a lot more disadvantages in my book : - You may have to sneak around neighbors or other guests - Handing over the key can be a hassle - Cameras (which must be disclosed, but there are umpteen stories, where that's not the case) may be hidden and record whatever you do - The risk that you run into a scam is much, much bigger than with a hotel. This may take the form of a bait and switch, or a charge for things you allegedly broke - Good luck resolving any issue. From an extremely noisy party in the apartment above to things breaking down - The host may cancel like a day before you arrive - You may find yourself in a strange city at night in front of a locked door and the host can't be contacted - Good luck with AirBnB support if anything goes wrong. There are so many horror stories of them giving zero shit. That's except when it blows up and there's some bad press - It's mostly no more the "cool dude" or a person renting out a spare room. Often it's some faceless real estate company managing dozens of bland cookie cutter apartments and not really a private host. So much for neighborly local cachet Basically, things that won't happen in a hotel or are instantly resolved. Read up on https://www.airbnbhell.com/ https://www.airbnbhell.com/ for horror stories about AirBnb. From hosts as well as from guests. I used them once in 2016 and wouldn't touch them now with a 10 foot pole. E: Some restructuring
jonathanleane 4y ago
Airbnb used to be my go-to, but I've since mostly returned to more conventional hotel booking sites. Have had numerous experiences where hosts have had to 'sneak' me in because their building banned short term rentals. None of this was disclosed in advance, and no doubt it's in Airbnb's best interests to look the other way. As others have mentioned, there's often not much of a price differential anymore, and hotels typically have their shit together way more than the average Airbnb host.
say_it_as_it_is 4y ago
Everyone is also being misled by flight prices. The total cost of a flight is at least double a quoted price after taxes and arbitrary fees are added.
- CaptainZapp 4y ago
  Maybe in the US? Certainly not in the EU or in Switzerland. I can chose a flight based on certain criteria (i.e. no checked luggage, flexibility) and the price is stated clearly, including all fees, taxes and airport charges. The costs will be itemized on the ticket, but within the booking process the total is always clearly stated. What may happen with discount airlines (noticeably Ryan Air) is that the fleece you for a lot of "extras". From charging an arm and a leg because your hand luggage is 200gms too heavy up to charging you for printing a boarding pass at the airport.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I book mostly via Delta’s site and the displayed price in the grids, quoted price during ticketing, and charged price are all the same. My experience at United was the same. Perhaps some OTAs are using pricing shenanigans, but the major airlines seem to not be doing that.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  In Canada it used to be like this, but they passed legislation that advertised prices must include all the fees etc. For some time this worked well and ticket prices didn't suddenly double on the last booking screen. Then came the rise of the discount airlines, where it tells you your ticket is $58, and it is, but if you want luggage you now enter the world of tiered add ons. $58 only covers you and a 10kg carry on. You want a piece of luggage? Additional money only added in at the add tier screen, because the base ticket price is 'correct' and there's no standard for how many pieces of luggage the advertised ticket should include, so they advertise the price with 0. if they could advertise a 'standing room only' and force you to upgrade to a seat I bet they would. Maybe you need the first luggage tier for washroom access? The nickel and dime sort of approach is exactly what made the dishonest prices the first time around detestable.

98 points by lysp 4y ago

Related: Airbnb and apparently Booking.com are billing Australian customers from overseas, causing customers to incur a bank service charge. This isn't revealed to the customer in any way. Don't know how this is legal, but the ACCC needs to jump all over it either way. This happened to me a while back and I went ape on Twitter and got the charges refunded by Airbnb. But that's not how it should work.

cottsak 4y ago
link to twitter thread?
- jen729w 4y ago
  I delete my tweets, sorry. It was a few years ago now.
usr1106 4y ago
How does that work? Billing from overseas in AUD or in a foreign currency? Of course if billed in a foreign currency there will be exchange fees. In Europe the exchange fees need to be specified spearately nowdays. For my monthly AWS bill of some 5 USD I get a separate message every time how much the bank or credit card company earned on the fly. Is the currency billed the same as the currency displayed on the site?
- jen729w 4y ago
  All prices were displayed as AUD and there was no indication whatsoever that the billing would occur overseas. But it did, and my bank charged me their fees as one would expect them to do. The Booking.com issue is much more recent. See this letter [0] in the Fairfax 'Traveller letters' column of May 6 2022. "I have been using this booking.com for many years. As a Genius member I received discounts on bookings and more. Last year I booked accommodation and was shocked to see that I had been charged an overseas transaction fee of nearly $50. Enquiries to booking.com were time wasting and fruitless. They blamed the hotel and were of no assistance at all. I eventually found through my bank that the charges were being routed through Amsterdam." — Peter Frederics, Balmain, NSW Similarly my partner ordered flowers last year from a supposedly regional florist and was billed from an overseas system, incurring charges. It happens frequently, and it ought to be illegal in my view. It's cool if you want to offshore your processing to save money: but you have to tell me. [0]: https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-i-was-charged-overseas-transaction-fees-for-local-hotel-via-booking-website-h23l4w https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-i-was-charged...
  - usr1106 4y ago
    Still not following what you mean by billing overseas. I would understand what billing in a different currency means and obviously that causes fees. If you are billed in your domestic currency the location should not be relevant to my understanding. But I have little exposure to how things work in Australia. Edit: It has never happened to me that I was billed in a different currency than what was displayed a checkout. However, sometimes there is a little checkbox preselected that they would do the conversion into the currency of my card. I always unselect that. Haven't seen a single case where the rate of my bank would not have been better.
    - jen729w 4y ago
      Airbnb and Booking.com show you a price in AUD. You fully expect to be billed in AUD, from an Australian entity. The company bills you in AUD but from a billing entity overseas. This might be like the situation where you choose in which currency to be billed, I'm not sure on the exact mechanics. But close enough. Crucially, you are not informed that you are being billed from an overseas entity. No indication whatsoever. Your bank, seeing a charge from an overseas entity, applies their surcharges. Whatever they are. And so you pay the amount you expected to pay - totally cool - plus some surprise surcharge - totally uncool.
      - usr1106 4y ago
        If the billing location is relevant for the fees, one would assume that consumer protection legislation requires to display the billing location before the transaction is approved. Whether all foreign businesses will follow the rules is another story. But if no such rule even exists that seems to be a gap in Australian consumer laws. (And as a sibling comment indicates in the US. But the US is generally more business-friendly than consumer-friendly, so I am not surprised.)
    - CaptainZapp 4y ago
      > Haven't seen a single case where the rate of my bank would not have been better. Smart move. You can be sure that when a bank offers you convenience, it's not to your advantage. The absolute worst are ATMs, where a "guaranteed exchange rate" can cost you 50 - 100 Euros, depending on the amount withdrawn.

boberoni 4y ago

I feel bad for those who were misled. Some of them ended up paying up to 25% more than they expected. >>> “Despite thousands of consumers complaining to Airbnb about the way prices were displayed, Airbnb didn’t amend its booking platform until after the ACCC raised the issue.” This quote seems to indicate that Airbnb only started to care after threats from the ACCC.

cottsak 4y ago
The ACCC wouldn't allege "Airbnb engaged in further misleading or deceptive conduct by telling many of them that it had displayed prices in US dollars because the user had selected this currency, when this was often not the case" without good evidence. I also never encountered this during all of my bookings over the timeframe mentioned (2018-2021) making me think that I had a selection of AUD in the Preferred Currency settings https://www.airbnb.com.au/account-settings/preferences https://www.airbnb.com.au/account-settings/preferences So I must assume that a default selection of USD or (no default) setting was the one affecting these customers. Strange that Airbnb, with their widely regarded bleeding user experience, still chose to render $ amounts without the default? "USD" qualifier. Was this really deliberate? Seems likely given their attention to details like this.
- skissane 4y ago
  > Strange that Airbnb, with their widely regarded bleeding user experience, still chose to render $ amounts without the default? "USD" qualifier. > Was this really deliberate? Seems likely given their attention to details like this. Random guess: maybe some US customers are confused by (or even just dislike) seeing "US$" or "USD" as opposed to just "$"? If enough US customers are like this (or even just if Airbnb believes that they are), that might influence a decision to just display "$" when they think (however wrongly) the customer is from the US. I've never used Airbnb, so can't comment on their UX specifically, but I've seen before web sites run by US companies which offer their services to non-US customers, but have a UX which starts out by assuming you are in the US, and you sometimes have to go out of your way to tell them that you are not, and it is easy to miss doing so.

bigDinosaur 4y ago

Airbnb has always been highly misleading with the prices. You never pay what you think you will at the start of the transaction IME.

tinco 4y ago
I've never experienced that, how is the price different? I've always payed upfront with a credit card, never any surprises.
- mcast 4y ago
  I think they mean the total price shown on the search result page and the final reservation page are different.
  - dannyw 4y ago
    Not in Australia, it's the exact same price.
    - rajup 4y ago
      Even in the USA it seems to depend on the length of stay. For 28 days or less, the search pages has a per-night rate AND the total next to it, that includes cleaning fees, taxes etc, i.e the exact price you would pay. For monthly or more stays it does not seem to show the total which seems like a very inconsistent user experience.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  I booked a place in Singapore for 30 days. Searched, found a place available for 30 days. It says 100% refundable. So I booked it. Received the notification. Great. 4 weeks before I was due to go to the place, Taiwan border opened up and we flew over asap. I had to cancel. Turns out they had hidden in the terms and conditions, not presented anywhere. If a booking is over 28 days it’s up to the owner to decide on refund policy, and the owner had decided it’s not refundable. So fuck Airbnb. I could have booked the same place on Agoda for about $200 more and had 100% cancellation as long as I cancel 24 hours before checkin. I’ll use agoda in the future.

viknesh 4y ago

Completely insane given how most websites default to the local currency based on IP, Airbnb included. I just visited the site logged-out, from a non-US IP address, and although the home page claimed to be in the local currency, it actually displayed USD prices. I can't imagine how confusing it would be for countries that actually use the dollar symbol.

Gigachad 4y ago
Probably always a good idea to show the currency anyway to avoid any confusion. It's reasonably common to see something like A$10 or AUD$10 which is quite clear.
- johnwalkr 4y ago
  Should always be easily changeable too. It’s down to personal preference which currency is preferred when traveling. One might need to check a hotel rate in Europe against a company policy in USD, for example.

usr1106 4y ago

Stopped using them years ago. As a European I expect to pay the price that is advertised in the beginning, nothing more. No taxes and fees added later, that's just illegal. Of course there are also shady European businesses that break the rules, but Airbnb was a clear, systematic offender. Additionally I remember when travelling to non-Euro countries they insisted that I have to pay in Euro "for my convenience", of course the conversion rate was significantly worse than what my bank would have offered. (I checked by visiting the site in local currency of the host.) I don't need the convenience of being cheated. If I couldn't handle different currencies, I would stop travelling there. Edit: Obviously for the Australian customers mentioned in the article they were less concerned about convenience. But the pattern of doing business unfavorable for the customer is the same.

gojomo 4y ago

Of course, AirBnB misleads everyone by hiding key costs from sorted comparison views of the 'average nightly rate'. It is also clearly a company-wide value to mislead, as their subsidiary HotelTonight does the same thing with regard to hiding extra fees in the small print.

solar-ice 4y ago
> Of course, AirBnB misleads everyone by hiding key costs from sorted comparison views of the 'average nightly rate'. This does not seem to be the case in Germany - the average nightly rate, for me, includes "cleaning fees" and "service fees". Consider lobbying your Government for laws which require companies to state their prices accurately up-front. Stating the facts of how much something costs is not a place where "innovation" should exist.
- sofixa 4y ago
  IIRC it's an EU-wide thing, at least since airlines were forced to include "airport taxes" and similar in the price shown upfront.
puranjay 4y ago
its very rare that I find Airbnbs cheaper than hotel rooms. Airbnbs are now exclusively for the rare trip that lasts longer than a week where I largely intend to stay inside. In tourist places, I've also found that hotels are much better located
ivanvanderbyl 4y ago
hoteltonight is owned by Booking.com Edit: I was wrong

coding123 4y ago

I wonder if we need an entire CS work-over for this, like everything else we engineers do: instead of using text to display any given dollar sign, we should emit <money currency="USD">15.23</money> and allow only the browser to display from there - if the user is seeing their own currency, then it would just show a normal $ (or the one they typically see). But if it is not their currency, the browser should emit: $15.23 USD. Basically treat it like times - always pass the Z time, but let the browser render the local time.

dmurray 4y ago
Foreign exchange is more complicated than that because exchange rates also have a time component: a price of 1 USD is not unconditionally equal to 1.40 AUD just because that's the exchange rate today. If I agree to a contract to pay 1400 AUD in a month's time (at check-in to my accommodation) I'm not OK with learning that I actually owe 1500 AUD, because my agreement was to pay 1000 USD and the rate has gone up from 1.40 to 1.50. Platforms like Airbnb don't always get this right, either, but they can at least specify the deal unambiguously in the fine print even when they display something else, and they should be able to accept payment of my 1400 AUD up front and take on (or hedge) any FX risk themselves.
- niij 4y ago
  Their comment was just to disambiguate, when necessary, the various dollars, rials, yens, pesos, etc. Not for the browser to do currency conversions.

sgtnoodle 4y ago

The first time I tried to use Airbnb, they confirmed my reservation and charged my credit card. They then texted me a few hours later insisting I upload a profile picture or they would cancel my reservation. I didn't, and so they cancelled the reservation. I was just trying to book a cottage in my local area, so I tried to exchange contact info with the host through the messaging system, but they filtered out our phone numbers then presumably shadow-blocked us from further correspondence. I have no sympathy for Airbnb.

holografix 4y ago
So you’re upset that Airbnb tried to reduce the number of scammers/bots on their platform by requiring profile photos and because they tried to stop you for using them to to direct deals with the supplier and cut them out?
- manicdee 4y ago
  How does a profile picture prevent scammers and bots?
- sgtnoodle 4y ago
  They literally cut themselves out of the deal after making it. If a profile picture was important to them to the point of being necessary for a reservation, they should have insisted on me providing a profile picture before ever giving me a confirmation or charging my credit card. They were clearly implementing a dark pattern to coerce people to upload a profile picture based on a sunk cost fallacy, probably because a lot of people would choose not to use their service rather than upload a profile photo.

TrackerFF 4y ago

Used them in the start - but with time Airbnb ended up getting as expensive as hotels, without the convenience of downtown locations.

CaptainZapp 4y ago
There are a lot more disadvantages in my book : - You may have to sneak around neighbors or other guests - Handing over the key can be a hassle - Cameras (which must be disclosed, but there are umpteen stories, where that's not the case) may be hidden and record whatever you do - The risk that you run into a scam is much, much bigger than with a hotel. This may take the form of a bait and switch, or a charge for things you allegedly broke - Good luck resolving any issue. From an extremely noisy party in the apartment above to things breaking down - The host may cancel like a day before you arrive - You may find yourself in a strange city at night in front of a locked door and the host can't be contacted - Good luck with AirBnB support if anything goes wrong. There are so many horror stories of them giving zero shit. That's except when it blows up and there's some bad press - It's mostly no more the "cool dude" or a person renting out a spare room. Often it's some faceless real estate company managing dozens of bland cookie cutter apartments and not really a private host. So much for neighborly local cachet Basically, things that won't happen in a hotel or are instantly resolved. Read up on https://www.airbnbhell.com/ https://www.airbnbhell.com/ for horror stories about AirBnb. From hosts as well as from guests. I used them once in 2016 and wouldn't touch them now with a 10 foot pole. E: Some restructuring

jonathanleane 4y ago

Airbnb used to be my go-to, but I've since mostly returned to more conventional hotel booking sites. Have had numerous experiences where hosts have had to 'sneak' me in because their building banned short term rentals. None of this was disclosed in advance, and no doubt it's in Airbnb's best interests to look the other way. As others have mentioned, there's often not much of a price differential anymore, and hotels typically have their shit together way more than the average Airbnb host.

say_it_as_it_is 4y ago

Everyone is also being misled by flight prices. The total cost of a flight is at least double a quoted price after taxes and arbitrary fees are added.

CaptainZapp 4y ago
Maybe in the US? Certainly not in the EU or in Switzerland. I can chose a flight based on certain criteria (i.e. no checked luggage, flexibility) and the price is stated clearly, including all fees, taxes and airport charges. The costs will be itemized on the ticket, but within the booking process the total is always clearly stated. What may happen with discount airlines (noticeably Ryan Air) is that the fleece you for a lot of "extras". From charging an arm and a leg because your hand luggage is 200gms too heavy up to charging you for printing a boarding pass at the airport.
sokoloff 4y ago
I book mostly via Delta’s site and the displayed price in the grids, quoted price during ticketing, and charged price are all the same. My experience at United was the same. Perhaps some OTAs are using pricing shenanigans, but the major airlines seem to not be doing that.
LegitShady 4y ago
In Canada it used to be like this, but they passed legislation that advertised prices must include all the fees etc. For some time this worked well and ticket prices didn't suddenly double on the last booking screen. Then came the rise of the discount airlines, where it tells you your ticket is $58, and it is, but if you want luggage you now enter the world of tiered add ons. $58 only covers you and a 10kg carry on. You want a piece of luggage? Additional money only added in at the add tier screen, because the base ticket price is 'correct' and there's no standard for how many pieces of luggage the advertised ticket should include, so they advertise the price with 0. if they could advertise a 'standing room only' and force you to upgrade to a seat I bet they would. Maybe you need the first luggage tier for washroom access? The nickel and dime sort of approach is exactly what made the dishonest prices the first time around detestable.