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My 4c: a) Stop using the term carbon footprint. It was invented by BP to scapegoat and market, it defocuses us. b) Blaming tech or civilians doesn't help. Blam

My 4c: a) Stop using the term carbon footprint. It was invented by BP to scapegoat and market, it defocuses us. b) Blaming tech or civilians doesn't help. Blame countries. China, U.S, Germany etc need to step up. Ban coal power production -- coal industrial power combustion and mining is everything bad including radioactive (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-...) -- promote nuclear. c) At this point add serious teeth to treaties. Countries not taking steps are costing future lives and resources. We are going nowhere otherwise. P.S. Practically, too many powerful countries have serious incentives to offload responsibility, and as this is a prisoners dilemma game in the sense one cheating screws everyone, that there are no peaceful means to achieve this goal. So let's not kid ourselves.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> there are no peaceful means to achieve this goal The EU's border-adjustment scheme isn't perfect. But it's in the right direction. Clean up your own act. Assign a broad-brushed adjustment to goods coming from dirty origins and use the proceeds to (a) further clean up your act or (b) incentivise others to clean up theirs.
- eftychis 4y ago
  I would hope so. The problem is numbers don't much at this point and there are strong incentives if you have to pick between economic growth or being green. And the fear (irrational or not; your pick) to nuclear doesn't leave a lot of options. But that is a step that might, and I say might, with a lot of salt help. The problem is we don't see this happening. Germany, for instance, was increasing their coal mining volume prior to the Russia Ukraine war and were not going to make the independence goal. P.S. I was going to edit my comment to add the efficacy of sanctions and other similar measures, but yours covers it. Thank you for your comment.
BurningFrog 4y ago
Invading China is a cure worse than the disease, we really need to do this peacefully. One peaceful way to do it is to develop clean technology that is cheaper than the dirty way. Then every one will quit the dirty tech, out of greed.
- eftychis 4y ago
  I agree. But we are betting on the game changing -- by addition of a new technology or by nuclear becoming accepted as a basis power production or being able to construct high capacity batteries out of non toxic/abundant elements.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> there are no peaceful means to achieve this goal The EU's border-adjustment scheme isn't perfect. But it's in the right direction. Clean up your own act. Assign a broad-brushed adjustment to goods coming from dirty origins and use the proceeds to (a) further clean up your act or (b) incentivise others to clean up theirs.

eftychis 4y ago
I would hope so. The problem is numbers don't much at this point and there are strong incentives if you have to pick between economic growth or being green. And the fear (irrational or not; your pick) to nuclear doesn't leave a lot of options. But that is a step that might, and I say might, with a lot of salt help. The problem is we don't see this happening. Germany, for instance, was increasing their coal mining volume prior to the Russia Ukraine war and were not going to make the independence goal. P.S. I was going to edit my comment to add the efficacy of sanctions and other similar measures, but yours covers it. Thank you for your comment.

BurningFrog 4y ago

Invading China is a cure worse than the disease, we really need to do this peacefully. One peaceful way to do it is to develop clean technology that is cheaper than the dirty way. Then every one will quit the dirty tech, out of greed.

eftychis 4y ago
I agree. But we are betting on the game changing -- by addition of a new technology or by nuclear becoming accepted as a basis power production or being able to construct high capacity batteries out of non toxic/abundant elements.