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Hiring is zero sum. The reality is that DEI departments at many tech companies work diligently to make life harder for white and Asian men. It's even explicitly

Hiring is zero sum. The reality is that DEI departments at many tech companies work diligently to make life harder for white and Asian men. It's even explicitly stated some places.

striking 4y ago
Yes, hiring is zero sum, but if you're complaining about the suggestions I just gave, those work to remedy bias in a hiring pipeline rather than explicitly making people's lives harder. In other words, if you are unhappy that you no longer have an advantage because those rules are being implemented, you are seeking to benefit from policies that would otherwise advantage you as a result of your attributes, ones that make the lives of those with other attributes that much harder. There is nothing acceptable about that, even if in a technical sense this makes your life harder.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  I'm self taught. No college degree. Raised by a single mother on government assistance. I'm very tired of hearing about all the advantages I have from people born with the silver spoon, just not white. It's very common to run into such individuals in tech. Race-focused DEI is very beneficial to people like this because they have all the elite pedigree without any of the racial baggage. Rarely do I see these efforts help truly disadvantaged people. Your suggestions are all well and good. They would help someone coming from a background like mine. Unfortunately, they bear little resemblance to the DEI efforts and departments I'm familiar with.
  - striking 4y ago
    Again, I'm sorry to hear that, but I promise you there are people out there working to make things better for everyone. All I can offer you is that the successes are far less visible than the failures, and that it's really easy to get DEI wrong (whether intentionally or otherwise). I hope that at least I've conveyed why programs like this exist and why they might be helpful to everyone, even if we disagree on whether or not they're implemented correctly.
    - nervlord 4y ago
    - gedy 4y ago
      In zero cases have I heard of of any DEI efforts talk about economically disadvantaged candidates. It's always pop culture visible or sexual diversity.
      - chitowneats 4y ago
        I was really hoping the parent commenter would give me an example of a place that does this. Seems like it would be nice place to work.
        striking 4y ago
        You can look at any one of the articles that mention companies and their case studies in applying these exact methods. I don't want to name my workplace.

Hiring is zero sum. The reality is that DEI departments at many tech companies work diligently to make life harder for white and Asian men. It's even explicitly stated some places.

striking 4y ago

Yes, hiring is zero sum, but if you're complaining about the suggestions I just gave, those work to remedy bias in a hiring pipeline rather than explicitly making people's lives harder. In other words, if you are unhappy that you no longer have an advantage because those rules are being implemented, you are seeking to benefit from policies that would otherwise advantage you as a result of your attributes, ones that make the lives of those with other attributes that much harder. There is nothing acceptable about that, even if in a technical sense this makes your life harder.

chitowneats 4y ago
I'm self taught. No college degree. Raised by a single mother on government assistance. I'm very tired of hearing about all the advantages I have from people born with the silver spoon, just not white. It's very common to run into such individuals in tech. Race-focused DEI is very beneficial to people like this because they have all the elite pedigree without any of the racial baggage. Rarely do I see these efforts help truly disadvantaged people. Your suggestions are all well and good. They would help someone coming from a background like mine. Unfortunately, they bear little resemblance to the DEI efforts and departments I'm familiar with.
- striking 4y ago
  Again, I'm sorry to hear that, but I promise you there are people out there working to make things better for everyone. All I can offer you is that the successes are far less visible than the failures, and that it's really easy to get DEI wrong (whether intentionally or otherwise). I hope that at least I've conveyed why programs like this exist and why they might be helpful to everyone, even if we disagree on whether or not they're implemented correctly.
  - nervlord 4y ago
  - gedy 4y ago
    In zero cases have I heard of of any DEI efforts talk about economically disadvantaged candidates. It's always pop culture visible or sexual diversity.
    - chitowneats 4y ago
      I was really hoping the parent commenter would give me an example of a place that does this. Seems like it would be nice place to work.
      - striking 4y ago
        You can look at any one of the articles that mention companies and their case studies in applying these exact methods. I don't want to name my workplace.