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When I initially read that I honestly didn't think it was all that bad. Inappropriate? Yes. Lawsuit worthy? No. But then, I imagined if the same thing were sai

When I initially read that I honestly didn't think it was all that bad. Inappropriate? Yes. Lawsuit worthy? No. But then, I imagined if the same thing were said to a 58 year old black woman, and immediately realized that it's severity. Is it just me, or has racism towards white people become acceptable/main stream (at least, much more so than racism towards other races)? I feel as if my lack of a visceral reaction to this is due in part to a form of desensitization that's taken place during my time on social media. I rarely see this racism expressed as actual hatred, but I very frequently see disparaging jokes targeted towards white people, especially old white people.

mathgladiator 4y ago
I was once in a DEI focused meeting with directors where a VP basically said that we had too many white men. A director even mentioned ways of treading the line of the law (after the VP shut down an illegal recommendatio), so it is pretty gnarly. What I think it is happening is that people are competing in a who can be the most racist/sexist. It was nauseating.
colechristensen 4y ago
>Is it just me, or has racism towards white people become acceptable/main stream Remember when a TV celebrity lunitic got elected president mostly on account of the votes of white people who didn't feel the privilege they were told they all had (regardless if true)? First the fringe notices, then as the issue gets worse the more moderate people notice and don't say much because it isn't socially acceptable, then it becomes a widely known uncomfortable fact, then it progresses to a point where only a few people are left defending the bad behavior. ^ you can apply the above to just about any social problem where mistreatment goes from the moral imperative to socially unacceptable What you've done is accidentally sympathized with a core issue of "the other side" (assuming your politics here, apologies if wrong)
sjtindell 4y ago
I have to chuckle a little at your “is it just me”…this is literally one of pop culture/the internet’s biggest flame wars these days. No offense intended. It commonly spirals off into tangents about the modern definitions of racism vs. prejudice and many other threads. Sometimes I wish alongside articles like this there was a pre-prepared list of the 10 most common takes about a subject. So we can stop rehashing all that and get to the meat. I’m guilty of it too.
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ryan_lane 4y ago
You don't need to imagine it happening to a minority group. It's a workplace violation against two protected classes: race, and protected age group (40+). It's lawsuit worthy in general, and your post makes it pretty clear you don't pay attention to your company's anti-discrimination training.
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- CodeSgt 4y ago
  The entire purpose of my comment was to point out my concern over the fact that I didn't have a response until I imagined it happening to a minority.
pc2g4d 4y ago
It certainly has, and it has been a key element in the radicalization and racialization of our politics. Many Trump voters were exactly that demographic, and resentful of the double standard. Not a healthy development for the body politic, and something we need to roll back.
90757876777 4y ago
Definitely is more accepted, e.g guess which one of these subs got quickly banned and which is deemed OK. https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragilewhiteredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragilewhiteredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragileblackredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragileblackredditor/ I think whites are the least likely to have fragility issues which is why it’s allowed to continue.
usrn 4y ago
It's because the ideas come from early 20th Russian bolshevism. It's an application of Marxism to race so you can't be "racist" towards White people because they're "oppressors." It's why I wish people would use "bigoted" instead of "racist" because it's less ambiguous to the extremists pushing the nonsense and the people listening to them.
- camdat 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...
  - usrn 4y ago
    It's a conspiracy theory until it turns out to be an actual conspiracy. Just because they're right wing doesn't mean they're wrong. Most "normal" people in the US are pretty far to the right (and for good reasons as we can see here.)
    - camdat 4y ago
      >The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.
      - boppo1 4y ago
        You're proving his point.
        camdat 4y ago
        He edited his comment to include the additional information. I assume that's easier than confronting that his worldview "has no basis in fact"
moron4hire 4y ago
A few years ago, I worked at a place that wanted to terminate someone for basically gross incompetence and harassment. The person was bad at their job and would yell at anyone who tried to fix anything they made. There was a lot of hand-wringing in the company about how exactly they were going to fire this person, because they also happened to be a black woman. Now, that was certainly also an instance of prejudice on the company's part--assuming a black woman would be more likely to sue for wrongful dismissal--but the point is that a lot of concern and effort was put in to making sure the firing of this woman was not in any way motivated by race. At the same time, I knew a couple of project leads, two men, who were themselves Indian, who openly discussed their hatred of Pakistani people. If a Pakistani person ended up on one of their projects, they would just lie about that person's performance, say whatever was necessary to get them reassigned or fired. People knew what they were like. But no scrutiny was ever applied to these guys. I don't think "racism towards white people [has] become acceptable". What I think is happening is that racism from white people is getting a lot more scrutiny, but that same scrutiny is not being applied to all people. Many working environments are getting more diverse, so we end up getting exposed to opinions that we've just never had the chance to hear before. If this had been 50 years ago, two Indian guys would probably have the same opinions about Pakistani people. But they also probably wouldn't have been project leads at such-and-such company.

mathgladiator 4y ago

I was once in a DEI focused meeting with directors where a VP basically said that we had too many white men. A director even mentioned ways of treading the line of the law (after the VP shut down an illegal recommendatio), so it is pretty gnarly. What I think it is happening is that people are competing in a who can be the most racist/sexist. It was nauseating.

colechristensen 4y ago

>Is it just me, or has racism towards white people become acceptable/main stream Remember when a TV celebrity lunitic got elected president mostly on account of the votes of white people who didn't feel the privilege they were told they all had (regardless if true)? First the fringe notices, then as the issue gets worse the more moderate people notice and don't say much because it isn't socially acceptable, then it becomes a widely known uncomfortable fact, then it progresses to a point where only a few people are left defending the bad behavior. ^ you can apply the above to just about any social problem where mistreatment goes from the moral imperative to socially unacceptable What you've done is accidentally sympathized with a core issue of "the other side" (assuming your politics here, apologies if wrong)

sjtindell 4y ago

I have to chuckle a little at your “is it just me”…this is literally one of pop culture/the internet’s biggest flame wars these days. No offense intended. It commonly spirals off into tangents about the modern definitions of racism vs. prejudice and many other threads. Sometimes I wish alongside articles like this there was a pre-prepared list of the 10 most common takes about a subject. So we can stop rehashing all that and get to the meat. I’m guilty of it too.

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ryan_lane 4y ago

You don't need to imagine it happening to a minority group. It's a workplace violation against two protected classes: race, and protected age group (40+). It's lawsuit worthy in general, and your post makes it pretty clear you don't pay attention to your company's anti-discrimination training.

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CodeSgt 4y ago
The entire purpose of my comment was to point out my concern over the fact that I didn't have a response until I imagined it happening to a minority.

pc2g4d 4y ago

It certainly has, and it has been a key element in the radicalization and racialization of our politics. Many Trump voters were exactly that demographic, and resentful of the double standard. Not a healthy development for the body politic, and something we need to roll back.

90757876777 4y ago

Definitely is more accepted, e.g guess which one of these subs got quickly banned and which is deemed OK. https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragilewhiteredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragilewhiteredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragileblackredditor/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Fragileblackredditor/ I think whites are the least likely to have fragility issues which is why it’s allowed to continue.

usrn 4y ago

It's because the ideas come from early 20th Russian bolshevism. It's an application of Marxism to race so you can't be "racist" towards White people because they're "oppressors." It's why I wish people would use "bigoted" instead of "racist" because it's less ambiguous to the extremists pushing the nonsense and the people listening to them.

camdat 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...
- usrn 4y ago
  It's a conspiracy theory until it turns out to be an actual conspiracy. Just because they're right wing doesn't mean they're wrong. Most "normal" people in the US are pretty far to the right (and for good reasons as we can see here.)
  - camdat 4y ago
    >The conspiracy theory of a Marxist culture war is promoted by right-wing politicians, fundamentalist religious leaders, political commentators in mainstream print and television media, and white supremacist terrorists,[8] and has been described as "a foundational element of the alt-right worldview".[9] Scholarly analysis of the conspiracy theory has concluded that it has no basis in fact.
    - boppo1 4y ago
      You're proving his point.
      - camdat 4y ago
        He edited his comment to include the additional information. I assume that's easier than confronting that his worldview "has no basis in fact"

moron4hire 4y ago

A few years ago, I worked at a place that wanted to terminate someone for basically gross incompetence and harassment. The person was bad at their job and would yell at anyone who tried to fix anything they made. There was a lot of hand-wringing in the company about how exactly they were going to fire this person, because they also happened to be a black woman. Now, that was certainly also an instance of prejudice on the company's part--assuming a black woman would be more likely to sue for wrongful dismissal--but the point is that a lot of concern and effort was put in to making sure the firing of this woman was not in any way motivated by race. At the same time, I knew a couple of project leads, two men, who were themselves Indian, who openly discussed their hatred of Pakistani people. If a Pakistani person ended up on one of their projects, they would just lie about that person's performance, say whatever was necessary to get them reassigned or fired. People knew what they were like. But no scrutiny was ever applied to these guys. I don't think "racism towards white people [has] become acceptable". What I think is happening is that racism from white people is getting a lot more scrutiny, but that same scrutiny is not being applied to all people. Many working environments are getting more diverse, so we end up getting exposed to opinions that we've just never had the chance to hear before. If this had been 50 years ago, two Indian guys would probably have the same opinions about Pakistani people. But they also probably wouldn't have been project leads at such-and-such company.