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Porsche doesn't dream of making something like the FP3 because their 'elongated beetle design' is still curb stomping almost every other competitor into the gro

Porsche doesn't dream of making something like the FP3 because their 'elongated beetle design' is still curb stomping almost every other competitor into the ground. McLaren is essentially their only real competition, if we aren't counting multimillion dollar vehicles like a Rimac or Bugatti. Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) as well as the ol' 918 Spyder are still among the top times posted. As far as I'm aware there's not a single ferrari that's cracked 7:00 on the lap. FWIW, I think the GT3 RS is probably the pinnacle of functional design (among commonly-known models). It's aggressively winged, but the original design is literally decades old. Timeless and elegant. I'd take the Porsche 10000 times out of 10 over a Ferrari. Edit: You are also aware that the V10 in the Audi R8 is the same engine that powers Lamborghini's, right? Like almost all engines (e.g. The small block LS, the ford 5.0, the subaru 2L boxer), it's an older design that's been updated as needed.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
> Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) When you look at car magazine lap times the Porsche is like 1 second faster than an equivalent Ferrari. Porsche Gt2RS in 6.58,28 : https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs Ferrari 488 Pista in 7.00,03: https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 Over a 10 miles long track . They are essentially the same lap time, and why it wouldn't be? This ain't string theory. 2 cars with approximately the same power:weight ratio are going to perform the same. This is normal, what is not normal is that once you have done your lap you have to hop out and actually look at the Porsche elongated Beetle design and wonder why Porsche hasn't found any new design language ever since 1940...whereas when you pop out of the Ferrari 488 and look at it a non-zero part of your brain wants to make out with it. Same goes for a Lamborghini, regadless of the engine being the same of an R8 and also the power:weight ratio for that matter. Design matters. GM understood that and they blew it out of the park with the new Corvette C8, they understood they needed something new as opposed to making the same car over and over again
- ginko 4y ago
  A Porsche 911 looks far better to me than any of the cars you've listed. It's timeless. Edit: To be honest the only ferrari design I like is the F40.
- wcarron 4y ago
  The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58. Might wanna do some research there. Also, the new C8 looks like crap with those massive side pods and enormous trunk/rear. It's been panned widely for that. Front looks okay, though. Your argument is frankly stupid because the 911 in higher trims is consistently an extremely sought after vehicle, year after year. It's good looking, and it's not broken, and they won't 'fix' it. There's nothing to fix. Stop with your inane attempt to pass off 'neat', or debatably good looking bodywork, as what makes a supercar a supercar. It betrays your lack of knowledge.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    > The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58 I don't trust Porsche, like I don't trust Ferrari or Lamborghini or Corvette. Carmakers cannot be trusted. They can use custom specs and/or slick tires and you'd not be the wiser. On the other hand I trust a publication such as Sport-Auto.de which uses a regular car, Michelin tires and the same driver for each and every tests. The only variable is the car and the Nordshleife as well as wind/track temperature. Plus they record the attempt as you can see. When Sport-Auto.de driver made the lap times it was 6.58.22 vs. 7.00.03 Again. Not string theory. The Pista and the Gt2RS have basically the same weight:power ratio If Ferrari sent their team to Germany doing all sorts of magic to optimize Nordshleife laptimes they'd come up with a 6:44 too. If anything it's Porsche using marketing gimmicks to sell more cars, not Ferrari. Lamborghini is guilty of this too. Every manufacturer which sends its team and driver to Nordshleife, Hockenheim, Silverstone etc. is using it as a marketing gimmick. Such cars are expensive BUT not that expensive that publications won't get their hands on them, just let the publications do the lap timing. > Lack of knowledge Clarkson said it best: "Porsches are for guys who only have sex in the missionary position, if they manage to get any pus*y at all"

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

> Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) When you look at car magazine lap times the Porsche is like 1 second faster than an equivalent Ferrari. Porsche Gt2RS in 6.58,28 : https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs Ferrari 488 Pista in 7.00,03: https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 Over a 10 miles long track . They are essentially the same lap time, and why it wouldn't be? This ain't string theory. 2 cars with approximately the same power:weight ratio are going to perform the same. This is normal, what is not normal is that once you have done your lap you have to hop out and actually look at the Porsche elongated Beetle design and wonder why Porsche hasn't found any new design language ever since 1940...whereas when you pop out of the Ferrari 488 and look at it a non-zero part of your brain wants to make out with it. Same goes for a Lamborghini, regadless of the engine being the same of an R8 and also the power:weight ratio for that matter. Design matters. GM understood that and they blew it out of the park with the new Corvette C8, they understood they needed something new as opposed to making the same car over and over again

ginko 4y ago
A Porsche 911 looks far better to me than any of the cars you've listed. It's timeless. Edit: To be honest the only ferrari design I like is the F40.
wcarron 4y ago
The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58. Might wanna do some research there. Also, the new C8 looks like crap with those massive side pods and enormous trunk/rear. It's been panned widely for that. Front looks okay, though. Your argument is frankly stupid because the 911 in higher trims is consistently an extremely sought after vehicle, year after year. It's good looking, and it's not broken, and they won't 'fix' it. There's nothing to fix. Stop with your inane attempt to pass off 'neat', or debatably good looking bodywork, as what makes a supercar a supercar. It betrays your lack of knowledge.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  > The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58 I don't trust Porsche, like I don't trust Ferrari or Lamborghini or Corvette. Carmakers cannot be trusted. They can use custom specs and/or slick tires and you'd not be the wiser. On the other hand I trust a publication such as Sport-Auto.de which uses a regular car, Michelin tires and the same driver for each and every tests. The only variable is the car and the Nordshleife as well as wind/track temperature. Plus they record the attempt as you can see. When Sport-Auto.de driver made the lap times it was 6.58.22 vs. 7.00.03 Again. Not string theory. The Pista and the Gt2RS have basically the same weight:power ratio If Ferrari sent their team to Germany doing all sorts of magic to optimize Nordshleife laptimes they'd come up with a 6:44 too. If anything it's Porsche using marketing gimmicks to sell more cars, not Ferrari. Lamborghini is guilty of this too. Every manufacturer which sends its team and driver to Nordshleife, Hockenheim, Silverstone etc. is using it as a marketing gimmick. Such cars are expensive BUT not that expensive that publications won't get their hands on them, just let the publications do the lap timing. > Lack of knowledge Clarkson said it best: "Porsches are for guys who only have sex in the missionary position, if they manage to get any pus*y at all"