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"It's not the best engineered, it's not the fastest, it's not he most comfortable, but..." Perfectly summed up Ferraris: gorgeous, nice-sounding marketing fluf

"It's not the best engineered, it's not the fastest, it's not he most comfortable, but..." Perfectly summed up Ferraris: gorgeous, nice-sounding marketing fluff.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
It's not marketing. Design matters. Germans have many qualities but design is just not one of them. They just can't do it and especially Porsche they are still running with the elongated Beetle design from the 1940s. Over at Porsche they are making the same car over and over again ever since the 1940s Beetle. Once you remove the Porsche brand what do the Germans have left which can compete with Ferrari? Audi R8? Have you seen the new Daytona FP3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA66mWhznVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA66mWhznVs Porsche doesn't even dream about making something like that. In a sense it's true that the supercar battle is Ferrari vs. Lamborghini. They are the only game in town because design matters. The former is timeless and elegant and the latter aggressive and bold...but they are both aestetically pleasing and merit being in an art museum.
- wcarron 4y ago
  Porsche doesn't dream of making something like the FP3 because their 'elongated beetle design' is still curb stomping almost every other competitor into the ground. McLaren is essentially their only real competition, if we aren't counting multimillion dollar vehicles like a Rimac or Bugatti. Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) as well as the ol' 918 Spyder are still among the top times posted. As far as I'm aware there's not a single ferrari that's cracked 7:00 on the lap. FWIW, I think the GT3 RS is probably the pinnacle of functional design (among commonly-known models). It's aggressively winged, but the original design is literally decades old. Timeless and elegant. I'd take the Porsche 10000 times out of 10 over a Ferrari. Edit: You are also aware that the V10 in the Audi R8 is the same engine that powers Lamborghini's, right? Like almost all engines (e.g. The small block LS, the ford 5.0, the subaru 2L boxer), it's an older design that's been updated as needed.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    > Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) When you look at car magazine lap times the Porsche is like 1 second faster than an equivalent Ferrari. Porsche Gt2RS in 6.58,28 : https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs Ferrari 488 Pista in 7.00,03: https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 Over a 10 miles long track . They are essentially the same lap time, and why it wouldn't be? This ain't string theory. 2 cars with approximately the same power:weight ratio are going to perform the same. This is normal, what is not normal is that once you have done your lap you have to hop out and actually look at the Porsche elongated Beetle design and wonder why Porsche hasn't found any new design language ever since 1940...whereas when you pop out of the Ferrari 488 and look at it a non-zero part of your brain wants to make out with it. Same goes for a Lamborghini, regadless of the engine being the same of an R8 and also the power:weight ratio for that matter. Design matters. GM understood that and they blew it out of the park with the new Corvette C8, they understood they needed something new as opposed to making the same car over and over again
    - ginko 4y ago
      A Porsche 911 looks far better to me than any of the cars you've listed. It's timeless. Edit: To be honest the only ferrari design I like is the F40.
    - wcarron 4y ago
      The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58. Might wanna do some research there. Also, the new C8 looks like crap with those massive side pods and enormous trunk/rear. It's been panned widely for that. Front looks okay, though. Your argument is frankly stupid because the 911 in higher trims is consistently an extremely sought after vehicle, year after year. It's good looking, and it's not broken, and they won't 'fix' it. There's nothing to fix. Stop with your inane attempt to pass off 'neat', or debatably good looking bodywork, as what makes a supercar a supercar. It betrays your lack of knowledge.
      - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
- numpad0 4y ago
  I think there can be one argument that apply to many German brands: they perfect and produce their “Model 100” little too much and too many for a brand to diverge later. A driving 944 sells for sometimes as low as $5k, literal wreck of a 911 goes twice that.
FredPret 4y ago
There’s something visceral about being in one. It’s like a living animal that just wants to go-go-go. Who cares if it’s slower around a track, unless you’re actually going around a track for some reason.
in3d 4y ago
Nah, it’s a real thing. You know how some NBA player can be top 10 (but not #1) in scoring, assists, rebounds, and steals? Good chance he’ll win the MVP.
mauvehaus 4y ago
Character forgives nearly any flaw in a car. Sometimes it isn't about going fast, it's about feeling involved and necessary to the process of driving.
leetcrew 4y ago
I'm not personally a ferrari fan, but I can understand the appeal. you can buy cars for $50k that are already much too fast to fully enjoy on public roads, and realistically, $250k+ cars are going to spend most of their lives in garages. I suppose they might as well look good while they're doing it?

"It's not the best engineered, it's not the fastest, it's not he most comfortable, but..." Perfectly summed up Ferraris: gorgeous, nice-sounding marketing fluff.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

It's not marketing. Design matters. Germans have many qualities but design is just not one of them. They just can't do it and especially Porsche they are still running with the elongated Beetle design from the 1940s. Over at Porsche they are making the same car over and over again ever since the 1940s Beetle. Once you remove the Porsche brand what do the Germans have left which can compete with Ferrari? Audi R8? Have you seen the new Daytona FP3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA66mWhznVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA66mWhznVs Porsche doesn't even dream about making something like that. In a sense it's true that the supercar battle is Ferrari vs. Lamborghini. They are the only game in town because design matters. The former is timeless and elegant and the latter aggressive and bold...but they are both aestetically pleasing and merit being in an art museum.

wcarron 4y ago
Porsche doesn't dream of making something like the FP3 because their 'elongated beetle design' is still curb stomping almost every other competitor into the ground. McLaren is essentially their only real competition, if we aren't counting multimillion dollar vehicles like a Rimac or Bugatti. Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) as well as the ol' 918 Spyder are still among the top times posted. As far as I'm aware there's not a single ferrari that's cracked 7:00 on the lap. FWIW, I think the GT3 RS is probably the pinnacle of functional design (among commonly-known models). It's aggressively winged, but the original design is literally decades old. Timeless and elegant. I'd take the Porsche 10000 times out of 10 over a Ferrari. Edit: You are also aware that the V10 in the Audi R8 is the same engine that powers Lamborghini's, right? Like almost all engines (e.g. The small block LS, the ford 5.0, the subaru 2L boxer), it's an older design that's been updated as needed.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  > Porsche still holds the Nurburgring lap time title with their GT2 RS; and their GT3 and GT3 RS (multiple generations) When you look at car magazine lap times the Porsche is like 1 second faster than an equivalent Ferrari. Porsche Gt2RS in 6.58,28 : https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs https://youtu.be/sl0HtR6MaXs Ferrari 488 Pista in 7.00,03: https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 https://youtu.be/nblOLdCUzA0 Over a 10 miles long track . They are essentially the same lap time, and why it wouldn't be? This ain't string theory. 2 cars with approximately the same power:weight ratio are going to perform the same. This is normal, what is not normal is that once you have done your lap you have to hop out and actually look at the Porsche elongated Beetle design and wonder why Porsche hasn't found any new design language ever since 1940...whereas when you pop out of the Ferrari 488 and look at it a non-zero part of your brain wants to make out with it. Same goes for a Lamborghini, regadless of the engine being the same of an R8 and also the power:weight ratio for that matter. Design matters. GM understood that and they blew it out of the park with the new Corvette C8, they understood they needed something new as opposed to making the same car over and over again
  - ginko 4y ago
    A Porsche 911 looks far better to me than any of the cars you've listed. It's timeless. Edit: To be honest the only ferrari design I like is the F40.
  - wcarron 4y ago
    The lap was 6:43. Not 6:58. Might wanna do some research there. Also, the new C8 looks like crap with those massive side pods and enormous trunk/rear. It's been panned widely for that. Front looks okay, though. Your argument is frankly stupid because the 911 in higher trims is consistently an extremely sought after vehicle, year after year. It's good looking, and it's not broken, and they won't 'fix' it. There's nothing to fix. Stop with your inane attempt to pass off 'neat', or debatably good looking bodywork, as what makes a supercar a supercar. It betrays your lack of knowledge.
    - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
numpad0 4y ago
I think there can be one argument that apply to many German brands: they perfect and produce their “Model 100” little too much and too many for a brand to diverge later. A driving 944 sells for sometimes as low as $5k, literal wreck of a 911 goes twice that.

FredPret 4y ago

There’s something visceral about being in one. It’s like a living animal that just wants to go-go-go. Who cares if it’s slower around a track, unless you’re actually going around a track for some reason.

in3d 4y ago

Nah, it’s a real thing. You know how some NBA player can be top 10 (but not #1) in scoring, assists, rebounds, and steals? Good chance he’ll win the MVP.

mauvehaus 4y ago

Character forgives nearly any flaw in a car. Sometimes it isn't about going fast, it's about feeling involved and necessary to the process of driving.

leetcrew 4y ago

I'm not personally a ferrari fan, but I can understand the appeal. you can buy cars for $50k that are already much too fast to fully enjoy on public roads, and realistically, $250k+ cars are going to spend most of their lives in garages. I suppose they might as well look good while they're doing it?