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I'm also pretty sure that once MacOS starts becoming prevalent in the enterprise, they'll eventually need antivirus, back up agents, and some sort of management

by fname 15y ago

I'm also pretty sure that once MacOS starts becoming prevalent in the enterprise, they'll eventually need antivirus, back up agents, and some sort of management agent as well. How would an IT organization manage the settings on the OS without some sort of management agent?

tomkarlo 15y ago
At what point are we going to get over the concept that Macs don't have virus issues because there's not popular enough yet? I feel like I've been hearing that chestnut for a decade now. There are already IT management tools for Macs. I've worked at two large companies in a row (25k+ employees) where a large percentage of the company was using Macs (~30% or more) and they both had established management solutions that didn't bork the user experience on Macs. I'm typing this on a managed Macbook Air right now. As for backups, those agents exist but they're rapidly growing less relevant as the majority of documents and work are either web-based or on servers anyway. If I somehow lost this computer, I'd be bummed to have to do some preferences setup again, but I wouldn't lose any work.
- dredmorbius 15y ago
  At what point are we going to get over the concept that Macs don't have virus issues because there's not popular enough yet? I feel like I've been hearing that chestnut for a decade now. Excuse me son, but would you mind standing in line behind those Linux guys over there? They've been putting up with this longer than you have.
- WayneDB 15y ago
  Why are Banks known for getting robbed more often than Bakeries? That's where the money is. The reason you've been hearing about Mac popularity with regards to viruses is because it's true, despite the fact that you'd like to think otherwise. The fact is that Mac market share is still only around ~15% in the US and much less than that worldwide. That is about triple the market share that they had ten years ago. Also - Ever heard of Pwn2Own? The Mac has fallen first every year.
  - Samuel_Michon 15y ago
    "Why are Banks known for getting robbed more often than Bakeries?" Because of Hollywood movies? It isn't actually true. Of all robberies in the US, only 2.1% targets a bank. Shops (including bakeries) are targeted far more often, 14.3% of the time. Gas stations are robbed more often than banks, and convenience stores are even 2.5 times more likely to get robbed. [1] The number of bank robberies is on the rise, but that's not because "that's where the money is". It's because the number of bank branches has grown rapidly, banks have standardized floor plans, and banks have procedures to deal with robbers (= just give them the money). [2] To further break down some bank robbery myths: nearly 80 percent of bank robberies are committed by one person. 70 percent of bank robbers are unarmed offenders who do not use or even threaten violence. About 60 percent of bank robbers do not bother with disguises; only 7 percent of robbers in Florida did. And finally, more than 80 percent of arrested bank robbers have no prior convictions for bank crime. [1] http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robbery.html http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robber... [2] http://www.popcenter.org/problems/robbery_banks/2 http://www.popcenter.org/problems/robbery_banks/2
    - WayneDB 15y ago
      It may not be true anymore, but that doesn't mean that Hollywood made everything up about that! Ever heard of Jesse James? The point is...thieves go where the money is. Okay, so fine you don't like my analogy. Let's fix it for you then: If you found a large oasis in the middle of a desert, would you pass it by in order to find a smaller one?
      - Samuel_Michon 15y ago
        "thieves go where the money is." I'm sure robbers do risk assessment. If a bakery has half the cash a bank has but no security and a better escape route, they will much rather rob a bakery. "If you found a large oasis in the middle of a desert, would you pass it by in order to find a smaller one?" Alright, let's use that analogy. Which is the large oasis, Mac or Windows? Windows has a larger installed base. However, most Windows computers have virus protection and Microsoft puts a lot of effort into improving security. Mac OS X has a smaller installed base, but practically no one bothers with virus protection and security doesn't seem to be Apple's number one priority. That's why I think Mac OS X is a lot more interesting to cyber criminals, it's an enormous oasis. And yet, there haven't been any attacks of scale -- if there had been, it would be front page news. Perhaps OS X is safer than you want to admit?
Samuel_Michon 15y ago
They wouldn't. They would use Apple's Server Admin Tools (a free download) [1] and Lion Server's Profile Manager [2]. My point wasn't that Macs don't need management, anti-malware or back up software. It is that you don't need third party software that bogs down your system. [1] http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1457 http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1457 [2] http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/features/ http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/features/

by fname 15y ago

tomkarlo 15y ago

At what point are we going to get over the concept that Macs don't have virus issues because there's not popular enough yet? I feel like I've been hearing that chestnut for a decade now. There are already IT management tools for Macs. I've worked at two large companies in a row (25k+ employees) where a large percentage of the company was using Macs (~30% or more) and they both had established management solutions that didn't bork the user experience on Macs. I'm typing this on a managed Macbook Air right now. As for backups, those agents exist but they're rapidly growing less relevant as the majority of documents and work are either web-based or on servers anyway. If I somehow lost this computer, I'd be bummed to have to do some preferences setup again, but I wouldn't lose any work.

dredmorbius 15y ago
At what point are we going to get over the concept that Macs don't have virus issues because there's not popular enough yet? I feel like I've been hearing that chestnut for a decade now. Excuse me son, but would you mind standing in line behind those Linux guys over there? They've been putting up with this longer than you have.
WayneDB 15y ago
Why are Banks known for getting robbed more often than Bakeries? That's where the money is. The reason you've been hearing about Mac popularity with regards to viruses is because it's true, despite the fact that you'd like to think otherwise. The fact is that Mac market share is still only around ~15% in the US and much less than that worldwide. That is about triple the market share that they had ten years ago. Also - Ever heard of Pwn2Own? The Mac has fallen first every year.
- Samuel_Michon 15y ago
  "Why are Banks known for getting robbed more often than Bakeries?" Because of Hollywood movies? It isn't actually true. Of all robberies in the US, only 2.1% targets a bank. Shops (including bakeries) are targeted far more often, 14.3% of the time. Gas stations are robbed more often than banks, and convenience stores are even 2.5 times more likely to get robbed. [1] The number of bank robberies is on the rise, but that's not because "that's where the money is". It's because the number of bank branches has grown rapidly, banks have standardized floor plans, and banks have procedures to deal with robbers (= just give them the money). [2] To further break down some bank robbery myths: nearly 80 percent of bank robberies are committed by one person. 70 percent of bank robbers are unarmed offenders who do not use or even threaten violence. About 60 percent of bank robbers do not bother with disguises; only 7 percent of robbers in Florida did. And finally, more than 80 percent of arrested bank robbers have no prior convictions for bank crime. [1] http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robbery.html http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/robber... [2] http://www.popcenter.org/problems/robbery_banks/2 http://www.popcenter.org/problems/robbery_banks/2
  - WayneDB 15y ago
    It may not be true anymore, but that doesn't mean that Hollywood made everything up about that! Ever heard of Jesse James? The point is...thieves go where the money is. Okay, so fine you don't like my analogy. Let's fix it for you then: If you found a large oasis in the middle of a desert, would you pass it by in order to find a smaller one?
    - Samuel_Michon 15y ago
      "thieves go where the money is." I'm sure robbers do risk assessment. If a bakery has half the cash a bank has but no security and a better escape route, they will much rather rob a bakery. "If you found a large oasis in the middle of a desert, would you pass it by in order to find a smaller one?" Alright, let's use that analogy. Which is the large oasis, Mac or Windows? Windows has a larger installed base. However, most Windows computers have virus protection and Microsoft puts a lot of effort into improving security. Mac OS X has a smaller installed base, but practically no one bothers with virus protection and security doesn't seem to be Apple's number one priority. That's why I think Mac OS X is a lot more interesting to cyber criminals, it's an enormous oasis. And yet, there haven't been any attacks of scale -- if there had been, it would be front page news. Perhaps OS X is safer than you want to admit?

Samuel_Michon 15y ago

They wouldn't. They would use Apple's Server Admin Tools (a free download) [1] and Lion Server's Profile Manager [2]. My point wasn't that Macs don't need management, anti-malware or back up software. It is that you don't need third party software that bogs down your system. [1] http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1457 http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1457 [2] http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/features/ http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/features/