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When they started this in 2009 they did want to make micro usb the thing everybody was forced to use. It's only by luck that it took enough time to not get stu

by tephra 4y ago

When they started this in 2009 they did want to make micro usb the thing everybody was forced to use. It's only by luck that it took enough time to not get stuck on that...

elif 4y ago
Contrarily, if they were able to pass that standard quickly, it would stand to reason that they could also pass a USB-C standard quickly. USB-C becoming standardized for phones will not slow the advancement of USB specs, and if the physical form factor becomes a constraint somehow, they will devise a better one and will standardize it likewise, even if consumer model phones can't ship with them from day 0. A great example of this is EV charging connectors. The Tesla spec was superior until recently, but because the EU has mandated CCS, as communication/payment has been implemented within the standard, European cars find themselves with a universal plug and a universal charging network that can be unilaterally improved. Meanwhile in the US we now have 2 charging networks on 2 standards, and no real path to unification.
- AlchemistCamp 4y ago
  The Tesla spec still is superior. Europeans just don't get its benefits anymore. The CCS mandate was mostly protectionism and I strongly doubt it would have happened if Tesla were headquartered in Germany.
  - wbsss4412 4y ago
    How is it mostly protectionism? There are currently three different fast charging standards, Tesla’s, CCS, and Chademo, and a vast need for improvements in charging infrastructure. If you don’t have a common standard, you end up with a fragmented network that caps everyone’s utility. Imagine if ICE cars could only get gas from certain types of stations, it’s madness.
    - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
      > How is it mostly protectionism? Seriously? The clear leader for a decade has been Tesla, which is based in the US. Chademo also has a lot of traction and is dominant in Japan and parts of east Asia. CCS is popular in Europe (along with Tesla). The EU mandated that all must use CCS, which has never been dominant in terms of technology or market share. It's blatant protectionism.
      - tremon 4y ago
        Are you saying that there already was a large, established CCS production base in Europe at the time the standard was introduced? Otherwise, what were they protecting?
        AlchemistCamp 4y ago
        They were protecting their comparatively technologically uninspired local companies from Tesla, which was on course to dominating the market.
        freemint 4y ago
        Tesla was not dominating. It was just moving early and had momentum because of that. I do not see evidence that the tesla charger is superior or CCS inferior.

by tephra 4y ago

When they started this in 2009 they did want to make micro usb the thing everybody was forced to use. It's only by luck that it took enough time to not get stuck on that...

elif 4y ago

Contrarily, if they were able to pass that standard quickly, it would stand to reason that they could also pass a USB-C standard quickly. USB-C becoming standardized for phones will not slow the advancement of USB specs, and if the physical form factor becomes a constraint somehow, they will devise a better one and will standardize it likewise, even if consumer model phones can't ship with them from day 0. A great example of this is EV charging connectors. The Tesla spec was superior until recently, but because the EU has mandated CCS, as communication/payment has been implemented within the standard, European cars find themselves with a universal plug and a universal charging network that can be unilaterally improved. Meanwhile in the US we now have 2 charging networks on 2 standards, and no real path to unification.

AlchemistCamp 4y ago
The Tesla spec still is superior. Europeans just don't get its benefits anymore. The CCS mandate was mostly protectionism and I strongly doubt it would have happened if Tesla were headquartered in Germany.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  How is it mostly protectionism? There are currently three different fast charging standards, Tesla’s, CCS, and Chademo, and a vast need for improvements in charging infrastructure. If you don’t have a common standard, you end up with a fragmented network that caps everyone’s utility. Imagine if ICE cars could only get gas from certain types of stations, it’s madness.
  - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
    > How is it mostly protectionism? Seriously? The clear leader for a decade has been Tesla, which is based in the US. Chademo also has a lot of traction and is dominant in Japan and parts of east Asia. CCS is popular in Europe (along with Tesla). The EU mandated that all must use CCS, which has never been dominant in terms of technology or market share. It's blatant protectionism.
    - tremon 4y ago
      Are you saying that there already was a large, established CCS production base in Europe at the time the standard was introduced? Otherwise, what were they protecting?
      - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
        They were protecting their comparatively technologically uninspired local companies from Tesla, which was on course to dominating the market.
        freemint 4y ago
        Tesla was not dominating. It was just moving early and had momentum because of that. I do not see evidence that the tesla charger is superior or CCS inferior.