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No, acutally, you would not have. You would have been stuck with a standard until they changed the standard. Which ... you are in the same boat now? Beyond tha

No, acutally, you would not have. You would have been stuck with a standard until they changed the standard. Which ... you are in the same boat now? Beyond that, this is the magical free market will fix everything. Despite all evidence to the contrary.

scarface74 4y ago
So now we would have to wait years for lawmakers to approve the new standard? Yes, you are very free to choose an Android phone with USB-C if that’s what you want - just like over 65% of the EU does.
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- DannyBee 4y ago
  No, actually, you wouldn't. As has been explained many times in this thread, that isn't how this kind of regulation works. I do understand that doesn't fit your narrative though. Rather than making lots of unfounded assertions about what "will" happen, as you keep doing, I would encourage you to actually read the details first.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Say I as a manufacturer have a new better connection than USB-C. How do I release my new connection without getting the entire industries buy in? If this had happened with computers, Apple would have been forced to include PS/2 slots and ISA instead of the much better ADB and Nubus slots.
    - zaarn 4y ago
      You release the product with both ports. And then you tell the EU that you'd like your port to be approved as valid alternative. You'll probably have to explain why your connector is better as well as show that consumers won't suffer the cable problem due to the new port (ie, people won't have to buy adapters or chargers just for your device). Then the EU is probably happy to add your port to the directive (which as the directive explains, is a very lightweight process, it doesn't require relegislating anything), possibly even give other vendors a timeline to switch to it if USB-C is to be deprecated. Of course, you're likely going to have to license patents are low prices or risk the EU getting angry over exploitation of the market. Possibly even hand out patents for free and only charge a minor fee for the connector trademarks (like current USB).
      - ubermonkey 4y ago
        "You release the product with both ports." This requirement kills the new port in its crib.
        zaarn 4y ago
        It's that or adapters. Adapters might be more acceptable as interim solution for products where that matters. I was more thinking of application like Laptops, where you can have multiple different ports already without issue.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Everything you are saying is making the product worse. You realize that laptops are a lot bigger phones?
        zaarn 4y ago
        I don't see how that's worse. If you make such a good connector that it should replace all currently used charger ports, there should be a requirement to allow users to give them the time to switch. To not cause untold costs to poor people who can't afford to switch. Interim solutions provide value to society. And laptops aren't bigger phones.
        scarface74 4y ago
        The device is going to come with at least one cord. How many people can afford at minimum a $429 phone who can’t afford a couple of extra cables? “poor people aren’t buying iPhones”. But they are buying Androids that are not being supported by their manufactures with even security updates shortly after they buy them.
        zaarn 4y ago
        Cheap Androids not being supported by manufacturers is a separated issue, I fail to see how that applies here. Atleast the cheap phones have a unified charger so poor people don't have to keep buying chargers for them.

scarface74 4y ago

So now we would have to wait years for lawmakers to approve the new standard? Yes, you are very free to choose an Android phone with USB-C if that’s what you want - just like over 65% of the EU does.

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DannyBee 4y ago
No, actually, you wouldn't. As has been explained many times in this thread, that isn't how this kind of regulation works. I do understand that doesn't fit your narrative though. Rather than making lots of unfounded assertions about what "will" happen, as you keep doing, I would encourage you to actually read the details first.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Say I as a manufacturer have a new better connection than USB-C. How do I release my new connection without getting the entire industries buy in? If this had happened with computers, Apple would have been forced to include PS/2 slots and ISA instead of the much better ADB and Nubus slots.
  - zaarn 4y ago
    You release the product with both ports. And then you tell the EU that you'd like your port to be approved as valid alternative. You'll probably have to explain why your connector is better as well as show that consumers won't suffer the cable problem due to the new port (ie, people won't have to buy adapters or chargers just for your device). Then the EU is probably happy to add your port to the directive (which as the directive explains, is a very lightweight process, it doesn't require relegislating anything), possibly even give other vendors a timeline to switch to it if USB-C is to be deprecated. Of course, you're likely going to have to license patents are low prices or risk the EU getting angry over exploitation of the market. Possibly even hand out patents for free and only charge a minor fee for the connector trademarks (like current USB).
    - ubermonkey 4y ago
      "You release the product with both ports." This requirement kills the new port in its crib.
      - zaarn 4y ago
        It's that or adapters. Adapters might be more acceptable as interim solution for products where that matters. I was more thinking of application like Laptops, where you can have multiple different ports already without issue.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Everything you are saying is making the product worse. You realize that laptops are a lot bigger phones?
        zaarn 4y ago
        I don't see how that's worse. If you make such a good connector that it should replace all currently used charger ports, there should be a requirement to allow users to give them the time to switch. To not cause untold costs to poor people who can't afford to switch. Interim solutions provide value to society. And laptops aren't bigger phones.
        scarface74 4y ago
        The device is going to come with at least one cord. How many people can afford at minimum a $429 phone who can’t afford a couple of extra cables? “poor people aren’t buying iPhones”. But they are buying Androids that are not being supported by their manufactures with even security updates shortly after they buy them.
        zaarn 4y ago
        Cheap Androids not being supported by manufacturers is a separated issue, I fail to see how that applies here. Atleast the cheap phones have a unified charger so poor people don't have to keep buying chargers for them.