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Target being overstocked is, I think, more a symptom of consumers changing demand in response to inflation. The days of free COVID money are over, and now every

Target being overstocked is, I think, more a symptom of consumers changing demand in response to inflation. The days of free COVID money are over, and now everything costs more, so people are buying different things. Target is in the position of needing to offer discounts- perhaps painful ones- to clear out inventory that isn't selling, while they have to pay more to bring in what is. Time will tell, but I'm not optimistic on this account.

whimsicalism 4y ago
ie. inflation slows? why wouldn't i be optimistic about that?
- InefficientRed 4y ago
  I think your parent post means "not optimistic [about Target's financial situation]".
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    The claim was never "Target's financials are going to go great," it was about return to normalcy.
    - InefficientRed 4y ago
      > The claim was never "Target's financials are going to go great," it was about return to normalcy. I guess I don't quite understand what is happening in this conversation :) From my perspective, OP explained why the outlook is negative for target and you asked "why wouldn't i [whimsicalism] be optimistic about [lower inflation]?". To which the answer is, "well, you aren't target... you can be optimistic about that, that's prefectly ok, but it's also sort of immaterial to OP's post which was about Target's current situation." OP wasn't analyzing whimsicalism's financial situation; they were analyze Target's financial situation. It's possible that you should be optimistic and target should be pessimistic. I'm either wildly misinterpreting the flow of ideas here or your responses just don't make any sense at all. I'm not sure which.
      - whimsicalism 4y ago
        The original post was arguing "Seems like we are returning to normal." The response about not being so optimistic, to me, reads like a commentary on that claim. But companies lowering prices because they are not having as much trouble acquiring goods would seem to be a return to normal to me.
        zdragnar 4y ago
        > But companies lowering prices because they are not having as much trouble acquiring goods would seem to be a return to normal to me. That isn't what is happening. Target is offering discounts because people aren't buying what they have in stock, not because their supply costs are going down. If anything, it'll force prices to stay high on other goods as they need to make up the losses elsewhere. To whit [1]: "Target set off alarms three weeks ago — its shares tumbled more than 25 percent — after reporting a 52 percent drop in first-quarter net profit. The Minneapolis-based company cited supply-chain pressures and rising expenses, factors that also hurt Walmart and helped spark a broader market sell-off that erased more than 1,100 points from the Dow Jones industrial average. Target now expects to sell fewer products in its home categories. It continues to see strong sales in high-frequency goods like groceries, household essentials and beauty products, largely reflecting consumer trends away from the U.S. shopping boom at the height of the pandemic. It also revised its second-quarter profit expectations from 5.3 percent to 2 percent, according to a Tuesday news release." [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/07/target-profit-inventory/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/07/target-pr... Other articles elsewhere have also pointed out the discounts are an effort to purge stale inventory, which lines up with them also cancelling orders from their suppliers. If they were cutting costs because supply issues were smoothing out, that would be great. Like I said in a sibling comment, it's going to take some time yet before things stabilize to a "new normal".
        whimsicalism 4y ago
        Demand lessening and firms lowering prices is exactly how inflation lessens. Not sure what else to say.
- vkou 4y ago
  If you owe money, or if you are one of the people who were getting raises (Service and low-skill jobs across America), and were thus causing inflation in prices. 8% inflation may not sound great to you if you got a 1% raise last year, but it's pretty fantastic if you got a 15% raise.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  The post I responded to used target being overstocked as a sign of things returning to normal. Presumably, this was asb opposed to shortages; Target being overstocked is not normal, and is in fact a sign that things are not normal- rather, a sign that supply lines still aren't lining up with demand, but with different causes now than last year. Odds are we won't see 2020 prices again on many goods, so inflation slowing is the best we can hope for (and better than rising inflation, of course). It is going to take awhile for a new normal to stabilize, though.
- Enginerrrd 4y ago
  Well, let me preface by saying this is speculation from poor understanding, but I think it's about the difference between inflation slowing because the economy has slowed and the economy slowing because inflation is high. The latter is essentially the stagflation scenario, and it's not clear to me what caused that to last so long during the 70's.
deanCommie 4y ago
> "free COVID money" What in god's green earth are you talking about?
- __blockcipher__ 4y ago
  The "economic impact payments" in the US, clearly
  - deanCommie 4y ago
    Those were for business owners exclusively. I don't think the average consumer got anymore than a onetime rent relief.
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      Perhaps you're thinking of the payroll loans. There were three economic impact payments that went out to almost everyone: https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/coronavirus/assistance-for-american-families-and-workers/economic-impact-payments https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/coronavirus/assistan... For people under the income caps, the total disbursed to each adult was 3200, plus additional to parents / guardians for each child.
      - deanCommie 4y ago
        Which was a one time payment early in the pandemic. So, 2 years on to announce that "Free COVID money is over" is extraordinarily disingenuous.
hackeraccount 4y ago
The solution to high prices is high prices.

whimsicalism 4y ago

ie. inflation slows? why wouldn't i be optimistic about that?

InefficientRed 4y ago
I think your parent post means "not optimistic [about Target's financial situation]".
- whimsicalism 4y ago
  The claim was never "Target's financials are going to go great," it was about return to normalcy.
  - InefficientRed 4y ago
    > The claim was never "Target's financials are going to go great," it was about return to normalcy. I guess I don't quite understand what is happening in this conversation :) From my perspective, OP explained why the outlook is negative for target and you asked "why wouldn't i [whimsicalism] be optimistic about [lower inflation]?". To which the answer is, "well, you aren't target... you can be optimistic about that, that's prefectly ok, but it's also sort of immaterial to OP's post which was about Target's current situation." OP wasn't analyzing whimsicalism's financial situation; they were analyze Target's financial situation. It's possible that you should be optimistic and target should be pessimistic. I'm either wildly misinterpreting the flow of ideas here or your responses just don't make any sense at all. I'm not sure which.
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      The original post was arguing "Seems like we are returning to normal." The response about not being so optimistic, to me, reads like a commentary on that claim. But companies lowering prices because they are not having as much trouble acquiring goods would seem to be a return to normal to me.
      - zdragnar 4y ago
        > But companies lowering prices because they are not having as much trouble acquiring goods would seem to be a return to normal to me. That isn't what is happening. Target is offering discounts because people aren't buying what they have in stock, not because their supply costs are going down. If anything, it'll force prices to stay high on other goods as they need to make up the losses elsewhere. To whit [1]: "Target set off alarms three weeks ago — its shares tumbled more than 25 percent — after reporting a 52 percent drop in first-quarter net profit. The Minneapolis-based company cited supply-chain pressures and rising expenses, factors that also hurt Walmart and helped spark a broader market sell-off that erased more than 1,100 points from the Dow Jones industrial average. Target now expects to sell fewer products in its home categories. It continues to see strong sales in high-frequency goods like groceries, household essentials and beauty products, largely reflecting consumer trends away from the U.S. shopping boom at the height of the pandemic. It also revised its second-quarter profit expectations from 5.3 percent to 2 percent, according to a Tuesday news release." [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/07/target-profit-inventory/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/07/target-pr... Other articles elsewhere have also pointed out the discounts are an effort to purge stale inventory, which lines up with them also cancelling orders from their suppliers. If they were cutting costs because supply issues were smoothing out, that would be great. Like I said in a sibling comment, it's going to take some time yet before things stabilize to a "new normal".
        whimsicalism 4y ago
        Demand lessening and firms lowering prices is exactly how inflation lessens. Not sure what else to say.
vkou 4y ago
If you owe money, or if you are one of the people who were getting raises (Service and low-skill jobs across America), and were thus causing inflation in prices. 8% inflation may not sound great to you if you got a 1% raise last year, but it's pretty fantastic if you got a 15% raise.
zdragnar 4y ago
The post I responded to used target being overstocked as a sign of things returning to normal. Presumably, this was asb opposed to shortages; Target being overstocked is not normal, and is in fact a sign that things are not normal- rather, a sign that supply lines still aren't lining up with demand, but with different causes now than last year. Odds are we won't see 2020 prices again on many goods, so inflation slowing is the best we can hope for (and better than rising inflation, of course). It is going to take awhile for a new normal to stabilize, though.
Enginerrrd 4y ago
Well, let me preface by saying this is speculation from poor understanding, but I think it's about the difference between inflation slowing because the economy has slowed and the economy slowing because inflation is high. The latter is essentially the stagflation scenario, and it's not clear to me what caused that to last so long during the 70's.

deanCommie 4y ago

> "free COVID money" What in god's green earth are you talking about?

__blockcipher__ 4y ago
The "economic impact payments" in the US, clearly
- deanCommie 4y ago
  Those were for business owners exclusively. I don't think the average consumer got anymore than a onetime rent relief.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Perhaps you're thinking of the payroll loans. There were three economic impact payments that went out to almost everyone: https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/coronavirus/assistance-for-american-families-and-workers/economic-impact-payments https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/coronavirus/assistan... For people under the income caps, the total disbursed to each adult was 3200, plus additional to parents / guardians for each child.
    - deanCommie 4y ago
      Which was a one time payment early in the pandemic. So, 2 years on to announce that "Free COVID money is over" is extraordinarily disingenuous.

hackeraccount 4y ago

The solution to high prices is high prices.