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who needs breakthrough innovation for a charger? It's like the C++ programming language, I just want it to work everywhere. Programming languages have been desi

who needs breakthrough innovation for a charger? It's like the C++ programming language, I just want it to work everywhere. Programming languages have been designed by committee just fine.

usr1106 4y ago
That's a weird argument. What would you say if EU demanded us to stop programming in Python, Rust, bash and mandate that only C++ must used? No, I have no problem with the USB-C mandate. But the analogy seems weird.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  >What would you say if EU demanded us to stop programming in Python, Rust, bash and mandate that only C++ must used? I support the idea that regulatory bodies like the EU create stronger software standards in safety critical applications in particular so that software 'engineering' actually starts to deserve that label so I have no problem with a good faith version of that take.
midasuni 4y ago
Ok. Go back 5 years and standardise on the ubiquitous usb-mini — usb-a solution. Why does my next phone need a charger? I’d be happy with wireless charging — especially if I have a 3.5mm socket in the phone too.
- kaibee 4y ago
  It would have been bad to standardize on USB-B and it will be good to standardize on USB-C. These aren't mutually exclusive statements.
- tremon 4y ago
  What do you mean with "go back 5 years"? You're aware that things were already standardized on USB Micro-B in 2009? This is just an update to the existing situation, with one slight but important difference: while under the previous MoU Apple was still allowed to buck the trend, this new legislation will force Apple to fall in line. For the rest of the industry, nothing will change. In 2009, the Commission facilitated a voluntary memorandum of understanding (MoU), signed by major producers, that aimed to guarantee interoperability between chargers and mobile phones on the EU market. The MoU resulted in a significant reduction of available charger types and a convergence to USB Micro-B connectors on the device side: while there were more than 30 proprietary chargers on the EU market in 2009, by 2012 (a year after the MoU started to apply), nine in ten new devices supported the USB Micro-B connection. (from https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/698819/EPRS_BRI(2021)698819_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/6988...)

who needs breakthrough innovation for a charger? It's like the C++ programming language, I just want it to work everywhere. Programming languages have been designed by committee just fine.

usr1106 4y ago

That's a weird argument. What would you say if EU demanded us to stop programming in Python, Rust, bash and mandate that only C++ must used? No, I have no problem with the USB-C mandate. But the analogy seems weird.

Barrin92 4y ago
>What would you say if EU demanded us to stop programming in Python, Rust, bash and mandate that only C++ must used? I support the idea that regulatory bodies like the EU create stronger software standards in safety critical applications in particular so that software 'engineering' actually starts to deserve that label so I have no problem with a good faith version of that take.

midasuni 4y ago

Ok. Go back 5 years and standardise on the ubiquitous usb-mini — usb-a solution. Why does my next phone need a charger? I’d be happy with wireless charging — especially if I have a 3.5mm socket in the phone too.

kaibee 4y ago
It would have been bad to standardize on USB-B and it will be good to standardize on USB-C. These aren't mutually exclusive statements.
tremon 4y ago
What do you mean with "go back 5 years"? You're aware that things were already standardized on USB Micro-B in 2009? This is just an update to the existing situation, with one slight but important difference: while under the previous MoU Apple was still allowed to buck the trend, this new legislation will force Apple to fall in line. For the rest of the industry, nothing will change. In 2009, the Commission facilitated a voluntary memorandum of understanding (MoU), signed by major producers, that aimed to guarantee interoperability between chargers and mobile phones on the EU market. The MoU resulted in a significant reduction of available charger types and a convergence to USB Micro-B connectors on the device side: while there were more than 30 proprietary chargers on the EU market in 2009, by 2012 (a year after the MoU started to apply), nine in ten new devices supported the USB Micro-B connection. (from https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/698819/EPRS_BRI(2021)698819_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/6988...)