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Umbrel's source code is public and there's no vendor lock-in: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

ensignavenger 4y ago
The license forbids me to hire another vendor to service the product. That is the definition of vendor lock-in.
- pengaru 4y ago
  > The license forbids me to hire another vendor to service the product. That is the definition of vendor lock-in. Where in the license does it forbid such a thing? Commercial use != an individual paying for third party support/service/development.
  - ensignavenger 4y ago
    I don't know what the intended definition of Commercial is, as it is not defined in the license, but the common definition is: >> used for selling goods or providing services for money, rather than for personal use (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commercial https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commerci...) An individual being paid to provide a service is commercial under that, and most legal definitions of the word.
    - slightwinder 4y ago
      > An individual being paid to provide a service is commercial under that, and most legal definitions of the word. The license only forbids third-party to offer Umbrel by themselves. If you pay for hosting, and install it on your own, it would be fine.
  - leodriesch 4y ago
    There is a License FAQ [0], in which it says: > Selling Umbrel, including selling cloud-hosted instances with Umbrel or its derivates, home server hardware with Umbrel or its derivates, support services for Umbrel or its derivates, etc is not permitted under our license. [0]: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/License-FAQ https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/License-FAQ
    - tjbiddle 4y ago
      Sounds like it's against someone else selling Umbrel to you; Not you going to someone and saying "Set this up for me".
      - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
        That sounds like a support service for Umbrel.

ensignavenger 4y ago

The license forbids me to hire another vendor to service the product. That is the definition of vendor lock-in.

pengaru 4y ago
> The license forbids me to hire another vendor to service the product. That is the definition of vendor lock-in. Where in the license does it forbid such a thing? Commercial use != an individual paying for third party support/service/development.
- ensignavenger 4y ago
  I don't know what the intended definition of Commercial is, as it is not defined in the license, but the common definition is: >> used for selling goods or providing services for money, rather than for personal use (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commercial https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/commerci...) An individual being paid to provide a service is commercial under that, and most legal definitions of the word.
  - slightwinder 4y ago
    > An individual being paid to provide a service is commercial under that, and most legal definitions of the word. The license only forbids third-party to offer Umbrel by themselves. If you pay for hosting, and install it on your own, it would be fine.
- leodriesch 4y ago
  There is a License FAQ [0], in which it says: > Selling Umbrel, including selling cloud-hosted instances with Umbrel or its derivates, home server hardware with Umbrel or its derivates, support services for Umbrel or its derivates, etc is not permitted under our license. [0]: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/License-FAQ https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/License-FAQ
  - tjbiddle 4y ago
    Sounds like it's against someone else selling Umbrel to you; Not you going to someone and saying "Set this up for me".
    - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
      That sounds like a support service for Umbrel.