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The world doesn't revolve around "America vs Russia". There are lots of other things going on. And if you are looking for a mass murderer, is there a bigger m

The world doesn't revolve around "America vs Russia". There are lots of other things going on. And if you are looking for a mass murderer, is there a bigger mass murderer than USA after 20 years of mass murder in the Middle East?

systemvoltage 4y ago
That would be the Middle East itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State To fight ISIS, it is mostly a joint effort of US + NATO + Allies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Task_Force_%E2%80%93_Operation_Inherent_Resolve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Task_Force_%E2%.... > The United States accounts for the vast majority of airstrikes (75–80%), with the remainder conducted by Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Jordan, Belgium, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and the United Kingdom.
- alaricus 4y ago
  This made me laugh. Isis was a direct consequence of American invasion of Iraq. You can't do what America did in Fallujah and not expect some kind of blowback.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    > Since at latest 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of a Sunni Islamic state. Specifically, ISIL has sought to establish itself as a caliphate, an Islamic state led by a group of religious authorities under a supreme leader – the caliph – who is believed to be the successor to Prophet Muhammad. Furthermore, it is worth studying the Arab Spring and what the underlying causes were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Causes
    - alaricus 4y ago
      Doesn't change the fact that America spent the last 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East.
      - systemvoltage 4y ago
        If you want to call wars mass murders, that’s your call. I support complete defeat of ISIS/ISIL to the last member. Seems like you have a rhetorical axe to grind, mass murders sounds like a dog whistle to the people with anti-US sentiments. Not an objective argument.
        alaricus 4y ago
        America was murdering people in the Middle East more than a decade before ISIS was formed. How is what America did in Fallujah any less evil than what Russia did in Mariupol?
rat87 4y ago
Yes it doesn't revolve around America vs Russia You have to consider the EU vs Russia. It's not in EU's or Germany's intrest to keep trading with Russia
- PKop 4y ago
  It is though, they get something like 40% of their gas from Russia, and 30% of oil imports. It is immensely in the interest of Germany to have good relations and continued trade with Russia.
  - rat87 4y ago
    No it's in Germanys interest to f*ck Russia up as much as they can financially (and in terms of weapon shipments ( in the hope it ends the war sooner. And diversify their energy. Germany's intrest is for Ukraine to win as quick as possible Before the war Germany at least had a reasonable sounding argument (peace through trade) but it's been proven totally wrong they need to admit they were wrong and move on
    - PKop 4y ago
      >Ukraine to win as quick as possible It is not possible for Ukraine to win, they are slowly but methodically getting their country destroyed. What does Germany lighting money on fire funding this destruction do for German interests? How does this solve their energy needs? It doesn't, it along with sanctions makes energy more expensive. Where they used to be able to buy all energy in Euro's, now some of these purchases now require buying Rubles. Thus Ruble exchange rate is up and Russia's trade surplus is growing. Germany's alliance with NATO expansion and US meddling in Ukraine along with following US lead to cancel Nord Stream 2 is crushing their economy. Self-sanctioning out of Russian cheap energy supplies will further destroy their industrial output. >hope it ends the war sooner hope. That's all they have. It will only impoverish them sooner. Diversification of energy is a worthy goal, but it insane to do this now by first cutting off their primary cheap energy supply. First, continue to buy as much cheap energy as Russia will sell them (instead of selling it to the East). Then, cancel ESG green insanity and pursue oil/gas investments and nuclear expansion wherever possible. But at the end of the day if your neighbor wants to have good trade relations with you, you shouldn't throw that away in service to your "ally" across the ocean.

systemvoltage 4y ago

That would be the Middle East itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State To fight ISIS, it is mostly a joint effort of US + NATO + Allies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Task_Force_%E2%80%93_Operation_Inherent_Resolve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Joint_Task_Force_%E2%.... > The United States accounts for the vast majority of airstrikes (75–80%), with the remainder conducted by Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Jordan, Belgium, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and the United Kingdom.

alaricus 4y ago
This made me laugh. Isis was a direct consequence of American invasion of Iraq. You can't do what America did in Fallujah and not expect some kind of blowback.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  > Since at latest 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of a Sunni Islamic state. Specifically, ISIL has sought to establish itself as a caliphate, an Islamic state led by a group of religious authorities under a supreme leader – the caliph – who is believed to be the successor to Prophet Muhammad. Furthermore, it is worth studying the Arab Spring and what the underlying causes were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Causes
  - alaricus 4y ago
    Doesn't change the fact that America spent the last 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      If you want to call wars mass murders, that’s your call. I support complete defeat of ISIS/ISIL to the last member. Seems like you have a rhetorical axe to grind, mass murders sounds like a dog whistle to the people with anti-US sentiments. Not an objective argument.
      - alaricus 4y ago
        America was murdering people in the Middle East more than a decade before ISIS was formed. How is what America did in Fallujah any less evil than what Russia did in Mariupol?

rat87 4y ago

Yes it doesn't revolve around America vs Russia You have to consider the EU vs Russia. It's not in EU's or Germany's intrest to keep trading with Russia

PKop 4y ago
It is though, they get something like 40% of their gas from Russia, and 30% of oil imports. It is immensely in the interest of Germany to have good relations and continued trade with Russia.
- rat87 4y ago
  No it's in Germanys interest to f*ck Russia up as much as they can financially (and in terms of weapon shipments ( in the hope it ends the war sooner. And diversify their energy. Germany's intrest is for Ukraine to win as quick as possible Before the war Germany at least had a reasonable sounding argument (peace through trade) but it's been proven totally wrong they need to admit they were wrong and move on
  - PKop 4y ago
    >Ukraine to win as quick as possible It is not possible for Ukraine to win, they are slowly but methodically getting their country destroyed. What does Germany lighting money on fire funding this destruction do for German interests? How does this solve their energy needs? It doesn't, it along with sanctions makes energy more expensive. Where they used to be able to buy all energy in Euro's, now some of these purchases now require buying Rubles. Thus Ruble exchange rate is up and Russia's trade surplus is growing. Germany's alliance with NATO expansion and US meddling in Ukraine along with following US lead to cancel Nord Stream 2 is crushing their economy. Self-sanctioning out of Russian cheap energy supplies will further destroy their industrial output. >hope it ends the war sooner hope. That's all they have. It will only impoverish them sooner. Diversification of energy is a worthy goal, but it insane to do this now by first cutting off their primary cheap energy supply. First, continue to buy as much cheap energy as Russia will sell them (instead of selling it to the East). Then, cancel ESG green insanity and pursue oil/gas investments and nuclear expansion wherever possible. But at the end of the day if your neighbor wants to have good trade relations with you, you shouldn't throw that away in service to your "ally" across the ocean.