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That's pretty amazing. The hiring manager's judgement wasn't trusted by his manager, whose judgement was in turn not trusted by his manager. None of these peopl

That's pretty amazing. The hiring manager's judgement wasn't trusted by his manager, whose judgement was in turn not trusted by his manager. None of these people delegate! You can twist this all you like, but that is not a functional organization.

pwinnski 4y ago
Huh? You're saying that participating in the hiring process means you don't trust everyone else participating in the hiring process? That's... certainly an opinion. As it happens, each interviewer focused on different things, by prior arrangement. One person walked me through a coding exercise, while another asked about mentorship and infra-team communication, while still another focused more on intra-team communication and process. Six interviews in, I was still being asked new and different questions than I'd gotten before, and I was still asking new and different questions than I'd asked before. At the level I'm talking about, and given that I wasn't unemployed, the interview process is as much about me deciding whether I want to switch jobs as it is them deciding whether they want to hire me. I had different questions for each of the people I talked to, suited to their level, and even where some of my questions were the same, I got different answers from the people I talked to, again, based on their level. I couldn't very well probe the hiring manager about company focus in the same way I could the VP of Engineering, and in fact it was the higher-level employees that sold me on the job. All in all, 4.5 hours is not a ton of time for them to get to know me, or for me to get to know them. Given the amount of money involved and the level of the position, the number of people I talked to seemed very restrained.
- the_biot 4y ago
  > You're saying that participating in the hiring process means you don't trust everyone else participating in the hiring process? If someone that reports to you does an interview, and you then follow up by interviewing the same person, yes, that means exactly you don't trust your report's judgement. Of course they're going to have slightly different questions; they are different human beings. I can't think of a clearer example of being unable to delegate than redoing your underling's work.

pwinnski 4y ago

Huh? You're saying that participating in the hiring process means you don't trust everyone else participating in the hiring process? That's... certainly an opinion. As it happens, each interviewer focused on different things, by prior arrangement. One person walked me through a coding exercise, while another asked about mentorship and infra-team communication, while still another focused more on intra-team communication and process. Six interviews in, I was still being asked new and different questions than I'd gotten before, and I was still asking new and different questions than I'd asked before. At the level I'm talking about, and given that I wasn't unemployed, the interview process is as much about me deciding whether I want to switch jobs as it is them deciding whether they want to hire me. I had different questions for each of the people I talked to, suited to their level, and even where some of my questions were the same, I got different answers from the people I talked to, again, based on their level. I couldn't very well probe the hiring manager about company focus in the same way I could the VP of Engineering, and in fact it was the higher-level employees that sold me on the job. All in all, 4.5 hours is not a ton of time for them to get to know me, or for me to get to know them. Given the amount of money involved and the level of the position, the number of people I talked to seemed very restrained.

the_biot 4y ago
> You're saying that participating in the hiring process means you don't trust everyone else participating in the hiring process? If someone that reports to you does an interview, and you then follow up by interviewing the same person, yes, that means exactly you don't trust your report's judgement. Of course they're going to have slightly different questions; they are different human beings. I can't think of a clearer example of being unable to delegate than redoing your underling's work.