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Serious question - How do you propose governments encourage companies to do what they want? Yes it’s a subsidy but it also seems like the government in this ca

Serious question - How do you propose governments encourage companies to do what they want? Yes it’s a subsidy but it also seems like the government in this case is essentially buying a service. I guess Germany would hire people to build this factory directly rather than paying a foreign company to do it? Which I imagine would be more expensive if it’s even possible to do. Do you think there are better ways to do this within capitalism or are you proposing we dismantle capitalism?

trasz 4y ago
>Serious question - How do you propose governments encourage companies In some countries capitalism simply works the opposite way.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Companies pay governments to do business there? I mean this sounds great, I would love my grocery store to pay me to shop there. How do we make this happen? It seems to me sometimes like waiting for these kind of things to happen is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
  - trasz 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)
verisimi 4y ago
Do you think governments are trying to encourage companies to do what they want? Or are companies telling companies what they want? Why do we have a situation where companies have so much and are given so much, and the people have so little. But pay for government largesse. If you ask me, Intel and all those companies should never have grown so large. But, if you have to spend that money, why not use it to create a genuine home grown solution? Where is the German Intel? Wouldn't a German Intel provide the resilience you really want?
- mikkergp 4y ago
  I think Germany is using the $5 billion dollars to encourage intel to build there plant in Germany rather than somewhere else, but I think your ideas sound great too. can Germany grow an intel for $5 billion? It seems to me it’s like hiring a contractor. I could learn plumbing but it would be a lot more expensive than hiring someone. I don’t disagree with you that companies are given so much and have so much. I just wonder if it’s idealistic to think it’s easy to just “create your own intel”. Maybe not it’s not like Intel is without competitors. But just like the Plumber example, even if it’s not about the money, do they want to spend the time on developing a skill that may not be one of their core competencies? It’s not that I don’t get where you’re coming from ideologically, I’m just not sure where you’re coming from practically. But I’m no expert, maybe they should try!
  - verisimi 4y ago
    Cheers - but can a country like Germany afford not to have a supply of its own chips in this day and age? Its pretty equivalent to food and energy security, I'd say. Why it isn't a major concern, I don't know.

trasz 4y ago

>Serious question - How do you propose governments encourage companies In some countries capitalism simply works the opposite way.

mikkergp 4y ago
Companies pay governments to do business there? I mean this sounds great, I would love my grocery store to pay me to shop there. How do we make this happen? It seems to me sometimes like waiting for these kind of things to happen is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
- trasz 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)

verisimi 4y ago

Do you think governments are trying to encourage companies to do what they want? Or are companies telling companies what they want? Why do we have a situation where companies have so much and are given so much, and the people have so little. But pay for government largesse. If you ask me, Intel and all those companies should never have grown so large. But, if you have to spend that money, why not use it to create a genuine home grown solution? Where is the German Intel? Wouldn't a German Intel provide the resilience you really want?

mikkergp 4y ago
I think Germany is using the $5 billion dollars to encourage intel to build there plant in Germany rather than somewhere else, but I think your ideas sound great too. can Germany grow an intel for $5 billion? It seems to me it’s like hiring a contractor. I could learn plumbing but it would be a lot more expensive than hiring someone. I don’t disagree with you that companies are given so much and have so much. I just wonder if it’s idealistic to think it’s easy to just “create your own intel”. Maybe not it’s not like Intel is without competitors. But just like the Plumber example, even if it’s not about the money, do they want to spend the time on developing a skill that may not be one of their core competencies? It’s not that I don’t get where you’re coming from ideologically, I’m just not sure where you’re coming from practically. But I’m no expert, maybe they should try!
- verisimi 4y ago
  Cheers - but can a country like Germany afford not to have a supply of its own chips in this day and age? Its pretty equivalent to food and energy security, I'd say. Why it isn't a major concern, I don't know.