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Well I live in SF and I can tell you for certain it is as bad as everyone says

mint2 4y ago
As another resident, I can vouch there are serious issue but the DA is largely being successfully scapegoated by the troubled police department. Pretty much all the reasons the police cite for their chronic issues and ineffectiveness are utter BS but they seem to have successfully shifted all the blame onto the DA. With the serious police dept issues, pandemic, national trends, and lopsided analysis it’s hard to say how much role the da has had but it’s easy to tell it’s nowhere even close to what most attribute. I think the recall will succeed and the supporters will find nothing changes because he wasn’t the issue.
- acoard 4y ago
  Can you provide some more details about the types of issues the PD has shifted onto the DA? As an outsider, the only real issue I'm aware of is the refusal to prosecute theft under $1k (edit: $950), which seems like something that is completely out of the police's hands.
  - adastra22 4y ago
    Example: the DA won’t prosecute theft under $950, as you say. So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Just because the DA will refuse to press charges doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still arrested the guy for the night and returned the property, not to mention intervening in a potentially dangerous situation for the shop owner and customers.
    - trs8080 4y ago
      > So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Are you saying that SFPD is not stopping crimes that are occurring in front of them because they believe that the suspect will not be prosecuted? The police are not prosecutors - if they are failing to stop crimes, the fault lies squarely with them. Can you provide some examples of when this has happened?
      - mint2 4y ago
        Yes, that exactly is what many cops are doing. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/SF-police-crime-16931399.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... Some overlap with the prior one: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/She-says-officers-let-suspect-go-after-her-S-F-16911968.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/san-francisco-stolen-luggage-17137941.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... There was also a video of cops pulling up and watching a dispensary get robbed There was another account on next door of a neighbor pursuing a robber after a home invasion and had to pleas with the police to even approach the guy, and they basically just got him his stuff back and tainted all the evidence so no DA would be able to actually prosecute. Not even sure if they actually arrested that guy. And then there is the fairly recent examples of extreme racism of some of the officers that tainted criminal cases leading them to be dismissed. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sfpd-racist-text-messages-20160426-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sfpd-racist-tex...
  - mint2 4y ago
    That $950 limit is a widespread but, to be blunt, nonesense talking point that is a great example of how the police absolve their hands of their inaction and how a lack of nationwide context creates myopic assessments. For example, In the great progressive bastion of Texas the felony theft limit is $2,500, and also the current DA didn’t make the law. The police have been caught many times simple spectating crimes in action. That’s not the da, that’s cops on strike.
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    The police choosing to do nothing because the outcome may not be as they desire is ridiculous. Imagine trying that excuse at your work. Not to mention the progressive solutions are all half-measures. Where are the solutions to the homelessness and poverty? Just reducing criminal punishment and enforcement does nothing.
- adastra22 4y ago
  More like they’re both terrible. But the police were smart enough to figure out they can blame the DA (who deserves blame, but not alone) and avoid accountability for themselves.
  - mint2 4y ago
    Yeah the pandemic does throw a wrench in the assessment. But letting the police so successfully push all the blame onto the da is only going to embolden them and reward bad behavior. If the option was to recall the top police leaders plus the da, then I’d vote yes. Punishing only one side will make the situation worse.
- tehwebguy 4y ago
  For folks who think SF and Oakland PD issues are limited to their systemic violence against minorities, video documented violence against protestors & intentionally making current levels of crime seem worse to help the recall it’s worth looking into some of their darker crimes. Check out their abuse of Celeste Guap, how long it took for anyone to do anything, the number of DAs, prosecutors and AGs that looked the other way, the charges dropped and finally the lone officer to actually face charges and the plea deal they received. Police in the bay area have been able to do anything they want for a long time. The campaign against the current DA really just stems from him doing what is still far below the bare minimum to e remind police that they are not above the law.
KerrAvon 4y ago
Move to the South Bay or the peninsula?

As another resident, I can vouch there are serious issue but the DA is largely being successfully scapegoated by the troubled police department. Pretty much all the reasons the police cite for their chronic issues and ineffectiveness are utter BS but they seem to have successfully shifted all the blame onto the DA. With the serious police dept issues, pandemic, national trends, and lopsided analysis it’s hard to say how much role the da has had but it’s easy to tell it’s nowhere even close to what most attribute. I think the recall will succeed and the supporters will find nothing changes because he wasn’t the issue.

acoard 4y ago
Can you provide some more details about the types of issues the PD has shifted onto the DA? As an outsider, the only real issue I'm aware of is the refusal to prosecute theft under $1k (edit: $950), which seems like something that is completely out of the police's hands.
- adastra22 4y ago
  Example: the DA won’t prosecute theft under $950, as you say. So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Just because the DA will refuse to press charges doesn’t mean they couldn’t have still arrested the guy for the night and returned the property, not to mention intervening in a potentially dangerous situation for the shop owner and customers.
  - trs8080 4y ago
    > So the police will literally stand across the street and watch a street vendor get robbed and do nothing. Are you saying that SFPD is not stopping crimes that are occurring in front of them because they believe that the suspect will not be prosecuted? The police are not prosecutors - if they are failing to stop crimes, the fault lies squarely with them. Can you provide some examples of when this has happened?
    - mint2 4y ago
      Yes, that exactly is what many cops are doing. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/SF-police-crime-16931399.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... Some overlap with the prior one: https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/She-says-officers-let-suspect-go-after-her-S-F-16911968.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article/san-francisco-stolen-luggage-17137941.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/bayarea/heatherknight/article... There was also a video of cops pulling up and watching a dispensary get robbed There was another account on next door of a neighbor pursuing a robber after a home invasion and had to pleas with the police to even approach the guy, and they basically just got him his stuff back and tainted all the evidence so no DA would be able to actually prosecute. Not even sure if they actually arrested that guy. And then there is the fairly recent examples of extreme racism of some of the officers that tainted criminal cases leading them to be dismissed. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sfpd-racist-text-messages-20160426-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sfpd-racist-tex...
- mint2 4y ago
  That $950 limit is a widespread but, to be blunt, nonesense talking point that is a great example of how the police absolve their hands of their inaction and how a lack of nationwide context creates myopic assessments. For example, In the great progressive bastion of Texas the felony theft limit is $2,500, and also the current DA didn’t make the law. The police have been caught many times simple spectating crimes in action. That’s not the da, that’s cops on strike.
- alphabettsy 4y ago
  The police choosing to do nothing because the outcome may not be as they desire is ridiculous. Imagine trying that excuse at your work. Not to mention the progressive solutions are all half-measures. Where are the solutions to the homelessness and poverty? Just reducing criminal punishment and enforcement does nothing.
adastra22 4y ago
More like they’re both terrible. But the police were smart enough to figure out they can blame the DA (who deserves blame, but not alone) and avoid accountability for themselves.
- mint2 4y ago
  Yeah the pandemic does throw a wrench in the assessment. But letting the police so successfully push all the blame onto the da is only going to embolden them and reward bad behavior. If the option was to recall the top police leaders plus the da, then I’d vote yes. Punishing only one side will make the situation worse.
tehwebguy 4y ago
For folks who think SF and Oakland PD issues are limited to their systemic violence against minorities, video documented violence against protestors & intentionally making current levels of crime seem worse to help the recall it’s worth looking into some of their darker crimes. Check out their abuse of Celeste Guap, how long it took for anyone to do anything, the number of DAs, prosecutors and AGs that looked the other way, the charges dropped and finally the lone officer to actually face charges and the plea deal they received. Police in the bay area have been able to do anything they want for a long time. The campaign against the current DA really just stems from him doing what is still far below the bare minimum to e remind police that they are not above the law.

KerrAvon 4y ago

Move to the South Bay or the peninsula?