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>you can't just pick up a device cable and power brick and expect them to work together I never understood this sentiment. That would be even more true if USB

by jayd16 4y ago

>you can't just pick up a device cable and power brick and expect them to work together I never understood this sentiment. That would be even more true if USB-C wasn't the standard so I don't really understand the complaint. Obviously "same shape" isn't an indicator that it will "just work" for USB-C, so why would we expect that to be the case for anything else with modern complexity? It would be nice if fits == works but that's just not a world we live in, USB-C or not.

908B64B197 4y ago
Except if you use Lightning. It just works.
- pkulak 4y ago
  Because it's not an open standard any only support low-power devices. If we gimped USB-C to only support 5 volts, it would work everywhere too.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - AprilArcus 4y ago
    iPhone fast charging over lightning runs at 9 volts.
    - ProZsolt 4y ago
      ... and uses USB-C on the other end of the cable
      - AprilArcus 4y ago
        There's no cable that has lightning on both ends; the 5V configuration has USB-A on the power supply side. My point is just that that lightning connector isn't limited to 5V.
Aerroon 4y ago
The previous chargers did work that way though.
- jayd16 4y ago
  USB charging usually works unless you care about max watts. Apple chargers would be different based on the brick. Lots of barrel chargers were not compatible.
colejohnson66 4y ago
Because USB has always been, "if it fits, it works (possibly with a driver)". Maybe not explicitly, but it was widely understood to be that. USB-C, OTOH, with all its modes and whatnot, make it so I can't tell what my device supports, and a driver installer won't fix it. Basically, things that require extra ICs are now being shoved into "one connector for all" thing with no way of telling them apart.
- varajelle 4y ago
  > if it fits, it works No, that was already not the case with USB 3 devices not working when plugged in a USB 1 slot. Not made easy when some computer or hub have both USB 3 and USB 1 port on the same machine and you must remember the color code. I recall that one time when I tried to configure the bios of a computer and the keyboard wouldn't work in the bios because it was connected to the "wrong" usb port that was not powered in that stage of the boot

by jayd16 4y ago

908B64B197 4y ago

Except if you use Lightning. It just works.

pkulak 4y ago
Because it's not an open standard any only support low-power devices. If we gimped USB-C to only support 5 volts, it would work everywhere too.
- deleted 4y ago
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- AprilArcus 4y ago
  iPhone fast charging over lightning runs at 9 volts.
  - ProZsolt 4y ago
    ... and uses USB-C on the other end of the cable
    - AprilArcus 4y ago
      There's no cable that has lightning on both ends; the 5V configuration has USB-A on the power supply side. My point is just that that lightning connector isn't limited to 5V.

Aerroon 4y ago

The previous chargers did work that way though.

jayd16 4y ago
USB charging usually works unless you care about max watts. Apple chargers would be different based on the brick. Lots of barrel chargers were not compatible.

colejohnson66 4y ago

Because USB has always been, "if it fits, it works (possibly with a driver)". Maybe not explicitly, but it was widely understood to be that. USB-C, OTOH, with all its modes and whatnot, make it so I can't tell what my device supports, and a driver installer won't fix it. Basically, things that require extra ICs are now being shoved into "one connector for all" thing with no way of telling them apart.

varajelle 4y ago
> if it fits, it works No, that was already not the case with USB 3 devices not working when plugged in a USB 1 slot. Not made easy when some computer or hub have both USB 3 and USB 1 port on the same machine and you must remember the color code. I recall that one time when I tried to configure the bios of a computer and the keyboard wouldn't work in the bios because it was connected to the "wrong" usb port that was not powered in that stage of the boot