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Apple Will Be Forced to Use USB-C Charger in iPhones
- GoOnThenDoTell 4y agoWhat happens when usb version N+1 has another incompatible plug type again
- Kirby64 4y agoThe European law is supposed to have a provision in it for review and modification - so in the event we get USB-D or whatever, there should be a mechanism to incorporate that in.
- olliej 4y agoThe point is when a new incompatible plug happens you have to replace your existing accessories, and accessory manufacturers have to choose which hardware is supported, or everyone has the dreaded adapters.
- lillecarl 4y agoI'd rather have one adapter that fits between all my old and all my "new" devices than 99 competing standards with no adapters whatsoever.
- olliej 4y agoHN commenters have spent years complaining about Apple's adoption of usb-c, except in the single case of it being forced on iDevices, where it is clearly the only thing that could possibly be considered. Almost every "universal" device I go out to buy today requires a usb-c adapter, despite the apparent prevalence of usb-c Android devices?
- hulitu 4y agoIpods do not have USB-C.
- stevenalowe 4y agoThis kind of law practically guarantees there will be no usb-D, E, or X. It hardcodes inertia
- MrJohz 4y agoIt already exists for micro-USB, and USB-C was developed later - evidentially, this claim does not appear to be true.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y agoApple is selling phones with Lightning, so it doesn’t seem to be true that they have been required to use micro-USB.
- stevenalowe 4y agoThe law itself may have stifled the creation of other power systems; we may have had micro-usb-G by now without it
- hulitu 4y agoBecause every year we need a different connector for the same shit. The only thing that was changes was Google restricting access to filesystem over USB.
- hulitu 4y agoYou just store it on Github, like any respectable library. /s
- olliej 4y agoOh excellent, everyone's accessories need to be replaced now, and then with every subsequent usb update?
- coffee2022 4y agoIt will perhaps apply for newer phones... > everyone's accessories need to be replaced now No. iPhone users can use/share with Android users.
- olliej 4y agoonly those android users using usb-c, not those with the various preceding usb's. You are correct, it's only ever lightning accessory that becomes junk, despite lightning preceding usb-c, and having more physically robust construction.
- infinityio 4y agoLightning only supports USB 2 speeds - not the most future proof standard, even if it is more robust
- dwaite 4y agoLightning does support USB 3 speeds. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-us... Only accessories got access to those speeds, not charging cables (because just like USB-C, it would be a nightmare of telling fast and slow cables apart). Rather than move 5 gpbs data rate support from iPad Pro to other devices like the iPhone, they decided to replace lightning with USB-C on the iPad Pro.
- witheld 4y agoI switched from Android to to iPhone SE- mostly as a matter of longevity and relatively cheap repair prices. Lighting is not better, it slides out more easily, it’s connections are less consistent (if you’re using a headphone adapter you will get disconnects), and it just doesn’t feel as good.
- vr46 4y agoGood luck with this one, USB-C is a protean system with as much variation as a giant jar of jelly beans, from compatible but non-compliant interfaces (see my previous rant on Nintendo Switch) to multiple standards that render things undependable. My Nitecore batteries refuse to charge from an Apple charger but are happy with a Raspberry Pi charger.
- lillecarl 4y agoI've got one Apple charger that's compatible with all my devices and one that's compatible with all devices except my System76 laptop, it doesn't like the 30 something watt charger. Things that work: All Android phones, Macbook, System76 Laptop, Sony Headphones, JBL BT Speaker, some cheap-o tiny RC car. All devices don't need to implement everything, I'm happy just being able to bring one charger, one powerbank and a couple of cables with me along with my devices. I was on a trip just the other day where I brought the powerful Apple charger I have, my Xiaomi powerbank, Phone, Speaker, Headphones and laptop. I'd say this is a lot better than how it was not too many years ago, so I'd say they've succeeded. My guess is that the Nitecore works with the RPI charger because it doesn't actually negotiate anything, just deliver a voltage on the power-pins. Your Nitecore gear is to blame for the trouble you're experiencing, I'd still say having one "smart" usb-c and one "stupid" is better than everyone having their own physical interface.
- jmole 4y agoI have been looking for an RC car that charges with USB-C, where did you find one?
- lillecarl 4y agoIt was something like this one: https://www.banggood.com/Turbo-Racing-C72-RTR-1-or-76-2_4G-Sports-Mini-RC-Cars-Limited-or-Classic-LED-Lights-Full-Proportional-Vehicles-Models-p-1898237.html https://www.banggood.com/Turbo-Racing-C72-RTR-1-or-76-2_4G-S... It's a really tiny one, with a one cell battery. The problem you'll experience looking for USB-C to charge your RC is that it's not "possible" (You'll need a charging controller on your car instead) since the batteries are usually more than one cell and therefore needs balancing and such. Also when you're charging you're allowing currents up to 5 amps in most common chargers, when I'm in a hurry mine goes to 20 amps, this is above what USB-C is rated for, so you'd have to negotiate the latest 200+w power, transform it to the right voltage etc... I recommend you give that one up for now, sadly.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoI've had to replace my USB C cables a bajillion times but never once had to replace my iphone cable. I think it's because iPhone cable has the male adaptor with the female on the device, which is a lot simpler and less prone to debris, which is what you want with a cable that gets tossed around. The USB C cables has the female adaptor on the cable which accumulates debris and moisture. USB C also oddly has the male adaptor inside of an indentation, so with USB C you basically have two female adaptors that can collect debris.
- sumy23 4y agoHave you tried using an Apple USB-C cable? They're much higher quality than the random cables you get off Amazon.
- mls-pl 4y agoLightning port, compared to USB C, is almost indestructible. There's no way you damage it by pulling cable sideways. Do the same with USB... Apple should upgrade Lightning to fully support USB C protocol but leave connector as is. But we'll see how they respond to another senseless EU idea...
- edmcnulty101 4y agoYeah I like the design of the lightning port better than USB C.
- lillecarl 4y agoThis is misinformation, the USB-C connector is designed to outlast it's cables. A common problem with USB-C is that the connector get's filled with "stuff", and rather than picking it out they just jam their cable in harder til it's packed full. The Lightning port has less of this problem because it's smaller but I've seen my colleague use a SIM-card removal tool to pick things out of his iPhone connector too. The reason "USB-C is bad" is because you're comparing some of the highest quality manufacturing (Apple) with others. Apples USB-C on the Macbook is really solid.
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- juanci_to 4y agoGood. Reminds me of the Bill Burr bit about Steve Jobs: «New phone can't fit the old charger. This is your hero?» Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I
- stevenalowe 4y agoFirst require uniformity of function (without regard for appropriateness, future innovation, etc). Second, require specific sources (those with political connections) because “reasons”. USB-c chargers today, usb-c chargers from FaviCorp tomorrow. Zero power systems innovation the day after that. Please don’t let politicians dictate technical design decisions.
- ddingus 4y agoThe only reason they dictated is general tech failure.
- chownie 4y agoThis comment is nakedly just a slippery slope fallacy.
- stevenalowe 4y agoSlippery slope is not a fallacy [0] when applied appropriately. The path to unintended consequences does not exist without this law [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
- rowanG077 4y agoIf there is one area I don't want innovation it's the power connector to my mobile phone.
- stevenalowe 4y agoSo you’d like to go back to the enormous power bricks of 1999?
- rowanG077 4y agoTHe connector has nothing to do with the efficiency of the psu.
- ddingus 4y agoGood. I would support more of this kind of thing. Every once in a while, we can bump the connector and get real gains along with savings due to far better alignment between devices and the various connections they require.
- kingnothing 4y agoLooks like the iPhone 16, released in 2024, will be the first one without any ports.
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- hulitu 4y agoThey need to also increase the price.
- dang 4y agoRelated ongoing thread: EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31652291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31652291 - June 2022 (839 comments)