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And plenty don’t.

by yladiz 4y ago

And plenty don’t.

scarface74 4y ago
- stale2002 4y ago
  Or instead of that, people could use their legal and democratic rights to enforce a standardization. If you don't like it, feel free to vote for something different. But apparently the people in the EU disagree with you, and believe that the world would be better off if they enforced a standard. > Do you really need the government to make your choices for you? A user does not have a choice to use USB-C with certain devices right now. That is why there is a law, that now allows users to choose that. If Apple doesn't like it, then I guess they can of their own free choice, choose to leave the EU. They do not own the EU. They can take the deal, follow the law, or shut down in the EU. Thats their choice to sell to that market.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now. A user is also not free to buy an iPhone that runs Android. Should the government also force all phones to support Android? I’m also not free to buy an iPhone with pink polka dots. Should the EU force companies to make that? I want all cars to support CarPlay. Shouid that be legislated? The “people” didn’t vote for this. The same lawmakers who thought that an 11 chapter 99 section law would solve privacy issues and all it did was force users to deal with cookie pop ups. Yet one company made a 15 line rules change about tracking (Apple) and the entire ad industry had to do more to clean up their act and have admitted in their quarterly reports that it is impacting their business.
    - stale2002 4y ago
      > A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now No they cannot use it with certain devices. Which is what the legislation is for. Then they will have that ability with all devices in the EU. Apple is also free to make devices doing whatever they want, and sell them in a different country. > Should the EU force companies to make that? Apple isn't forced to make anything. They can simply of their own choosing, leave that market. It is their choice to sell to that market, and they can feel free to leave if they don't like the official representatives of the EU using their official power to legislate. All these arguments about choice are ignoring that it is the choice of the EU to control its own market, and it is Apple's choice to sell there. They are free to leave if they don't like the laws that the lawmakers create. > I want all cars to support CarPlay. Should that be legislated? If you can get enough support among lawmakers, feel free to talk about the benefits and cons of your proposal.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        How is that any different? Why stop at cord compatibility? Why not force all manufacturers to support Android?
        stale2002 4y ago
        > Why stop at cord compatibility? Well the biggest reason is because there are a much larger amount of people and law makers who would prefer simply stopping at cord compatibility, and cord compatibility is much easier to implement, and much less disruptive, than more extreme and absurd examples. Society does not have to do the most extreme thing possible, in every situation. Instead, society can pick and choose. We can look for easy wins, and do the things that are easy to implement and not do the things that are harder to implement. In fact, apple is already planning on adding USB C to the next iPhone, if the rumors are true. So it sounds like even they agree that cord compatibility is at least possible for them to do with a reasonable effort.
        scarface74 4y ago
        So they help prevent e waste by preventing people from throwing away cords instead of helping people not to have to throw away phones. Government at its best. Next they are going to mandate pop up warnings every time I turn on my phone like the cookie banners. I doubt people are complaining more about cord compatibility than having to replace an entire functioning phone because it no longer receives even security updates. Let alone operating system updates.
        stale2002 4y ago
        > So they help prevent e waste by preventing people from throwing away cords instead of helping people not to have to throw away phones. The point here is that solving the cord compatibility problem is much easier. Do you understand how we as a society are not forced to do the most extreme action in every circumstance?
sokoloff 4y ago
A: "I want to buy a phone with USB-C charging." B: "You should buy a phone with USB-C charging." A: "But I don't want anyone else to be able to buy a phone that doesn't have USB-C charging." B: "You should petition the government to make that illegal, I guess."
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And plenty don’t.

by yladiz 4y ago

And plenty don’t.

scarface74 4y ago

stale2002 4y ago
Or instead of that, people could use their legal and democratic rights to enforce a standardization. If you don't like it, feel free to vote for something different. But apparently the people in the EU disagree with you, and believe that the world would be better off if they enforced a standard. > Do you really need the government to make your choices for you? A user does not have a choice to use USB-C with certain devices right now. That is why there is a law, that now allows users to choose that. If Apple doesn't like it, then I guess they can of their own free choice, choose to leave the EU. They do not own the EU. They can take the deal, follow the law, or shut down in the EU. Thats their choice to sell to that market.
- scarface74 4y ago
  A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now. A user is also not free to buy an iPhone that runs Android. Should the government also force all phones to support Android? I’m also not free to buy an iPhone with pink polka dots. Should the EU force companies to make that? I want all cars to support CarPlay. Shouid that be legislated? The “people” didn’t vote for this. The same lawmakers who thought that an 11 chapter 99 section law would solve privacy issues and all it did was force users to deal with cookie pop ups. Yet one company made a 15 line rules change about tracking (Apple) and the entire ad industry had to do more to clean up their act and have admitted in their quarterly reports that it is impacting their business.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now No they cannot use it with certain devices. Which is what the legislation is for. Then they will have that ability with all devices in the EU. Apple is also free to make devices doing whatever they want, and sell them in a different country. > Should the EU force companies to make that? Apple isn't forced to make anything. They can simply of their own choosing, leave that market. It is their choice to sell to that market, and they can feel free to leave if they don't like the official representatives of the EU using their official power to legislate. All these arguments about choice are ignoring that it is the choice of the EU to control its own market, and it is Apple's choice to sell there. They are free to leave if they don't like the laws that the lawmakers create. > I want all cars to support CarPlay. Should that be legislated? If you can get enough support among lawmakers, feel free to talk about the benefits and cons of your proposal.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      How is that any different? Why stop at cord compatibility? Why not force all manufacturers to support Android?
      - stale2002 4y ago
        > Why stop at cord compatibility? Well the biggest reason is because there are a much larger amount of people and law makers who would prefer simply stopping at cord compatibility, and cord compatibility is much easier to implement, and much less disruptive, than more extreme and absurd examples. Society does not have to do the most extreme thing possible, in every situation. Instead, society can pick and choose. We can look for easy wins, and do the things that are easy to implement and not do the things that are harder to implement. In fact, apple is already planning on adding USB C to the next iPhone, if the rumors are true. So it sounds like even they agree that cord compatibility is at least possible for them to do with a reasonable effort.
        scarface74 4y ago
        So they help prevent e waste by preventing people from throwing away cords instead of helping people not to have to throw away phones. Government at its best. Next they are going to mandate pop up warnings every time I turn on my phone like the cookie banners. I doubt people are complaining more about cord compatibility than having to replace an entire functioning phone because it no longer receives even security updates. Let alone operating system updates.
        stale2002 4y ago
        > So they help prevent e waste by preventing people from throwing away cords instead of helping people not to have to throw away phones. The point here is that solving the cord compatibility problem is much easier. Do you understand how we as a society are not forced to do the most extreme action in every circumstance?

sokoloff 4y ago

A: "I want to buy a phone with USB-C charging." B: "You should buy a phone with USB-C charging." A: "But I don't want anyone else to be able to buy a phone that doesn't have USB-C charging." B: "You should petition the government to make that illegal, I guess."

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