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Just wait 10 years until we get rid of it again like we did with AMD and Infineon.

dontbenebby 4y ago
If they're willing to build a lot of processors rather than add dangerous features to use one chip or core or whatever maybe they can make it multiples of ten years this time ;-) Wenn sie bereit sind, viele Prozessoren zu bauen, anstatt gefährliche Funktionen hinzuzufügen, um einen Chip oder Kern oder was auch immer zu verwenden, können sie dieses Mal vielleicht ein Vielfaches von zehn Jahren schaffen ;-)
- april_22 4y ago
  Yes, Bosch just built a huge factory in Saxony
  - dontbenebby 4y ago
    I hope they treat the workers well. Maybe their chips will end up in my next laptop. (I think I can keep repairing this one for a while, sorry I'm a bad capitalist or whatever.)
    - flohofwoe 4y ago
      > Maybe their chips will end up in my next laptop. Unless your laptop is also a car that's probably unlikely ;) (AFAIK the new Bosch fab will mainly produce chips for the car industry)
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        Well I never thought the Transformers would be big with Germans
- biztos 4y ago
  No comment on the actual content, but I love how the German version is almost 30% longer ;-)
dhoe 4y ago
This is spot on and I feel a lot of the comments here miss this context. Germany has tried this before and it was a gigantic waste - they build a fab somewhere at massive cost, claim it as victory because it's "invested locally", zero ecosystem materializes around it, and ten years later the fab is obsolete and shuts down. It helps nobody except the chip company.
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  Erm, maybe I'm out of the loop, but hasn't Dresden developed into a fairly healthy technology "hotspot" (at least for "German standards")? (e.g. AFAIK the former AMD fab is now GlobalFoundries: https://www.silicon-saxony.de/nc/mitglieder/mitglieder-foerderer-detail-information/member/sisaxmembers/show/globalfoundries-dresden/ https://www.silicon-saxony.de/nc/mitglieder/mitglieder-foerd...)
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    That's what I've always heard and searches seem to confirm [1] 1. https://www.seedtable.com/cities/dresden https://www.seedtable.com/cities/dresden
  - ahartmetz 4y ago
    GloFo is still producing at maximum capacity (of course, like ~every fab right now), a small ecosystem has developed, and Intel is... oops, not quite moving to the same area - 230 km away is not commuting distance.
topspin 4y ago
Fab operators are hedging against future geopolitical conflict with China and how that will impact Taiwan. Many will scoff at this, but Intel, Samsung and others are putting serious money on it. The people that can still make devices when Taiwan is blockaded by Chinese battle fleets will make bank.
- klysm 4y ago
  It's unfortunate that there will be an economic incentive for that to occur.

If they're willing to build a lot of processors rather than add dangerous features to use one chip or core or whatever maybe they can make it multiples of ten years this time ;-) Wenn sie bereit sind, viele Prozessoren zu bauen, anstatt gefährliche Funktionen hinzuzufügen, um einen Chip oder Kern oder was auch immer zu verwenden, können sie dieses Mal vielleicht ein Vielfaches von zehn Jahren schaffen ;-)

april_22 4y ago
Yes, Bosch just built a huge factory in Saxony
- dontbenebby 4y ago
  I hope they treat the workers well. Maybe their chips will end up in my next laptop. (I think I can keep repairing this one for a while, sorry I'm a bad capitalist or whatever.)
  - flohofwoe 4y ago
    > Maybe their chips will end up in my next laptop. Unless your laptop is also a car that's probably unlikely ;) (AFAIK the new Bosch fab will mainly produce chips for the car industry)
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Well I never thought the Transformers would be big with Germans
biztos 4y ago
No comment on the actual content, but I love how the German version is almost 30% longer ;-)

dhoe 4y ago

This is spot on and I feel a lot of the comments here miss this context. Germany has tried this before and it was a gigantic waste - they build a fab somewhere at massive cost, claim it as victory because it's "invested locally", zero ecosystem materializes around it, and ten years later the fab is obsolete and shuts down. It helps nobody except the chip company.

flohofwoe 4y ago
Erm, maybe I'm out of the loop, but hasn't Dresden developed into a fairly healthy technology "hotspot" (at least for "German standards")? (e.g. AFAIK the former AMD fab is now GlobalFoundries: https://www.silicon-saxony.de/nc/mitglieder/mitglieder-foerderer-detail-information/member/sisaxmembers/show/globalfoundries-dresden/ https://www.silicon-saxony.de/nc/mitglieder/mitglieder-foerd...)
- guerrilla 4y ago
  That's what I've always heard and searches seem to confirm [1] 1. https://www.seedtable.com/cities/dresden https://www.seedtable.com/cities/dresden
- ahartmetz 4y ago
  GloFo is still producing at maximum capacity (of course, like ~every fab right now), a small ecosystem has developed, and Intel is... oops, not quite moving to the same area - 230 km away is not commuting distance.

topspin 4y ago

Fab operators are hedging against future geopolitical conflict with China and how that will impact Taiwan. Many will scoff at this, but Intel, Samsung and others are putting serious money on it. The people that can still make devices when Taiwan is blockaded by Chinese battle fleets will make bank.

klysm 4y ago
It's unfortunate that there will be an economic incentive for that to occur.