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>> But, suppose I had stored everything off-site. All I'd need to do is walk up to the bank and show some ID which proved that I was the authorised user of that

>> But, suppose I had stored everything off-site. All I'd need to do is walk up to the bank and show some ID which proved that I was the authorised user of that box. >> The ID which has just been sacrificed in tribute to mighty Thor and now looks like a melted waxwork. How is this not the solution? You can get new ID from the government and then access the box.

nikanj 4y ago
This was discussed under "Bootstrapping of trust" in the same article. Getting new ID requires money+people who vouch for you, both of which you can't access without having access to them. It's circular dependencies all the way down.
- basisword 4y ago
  Ah, I glossed over it and missed that. I guess the point of this is that it's an absolute worst case scenario, which is highly unlikely for anyone. Most people will have an out (e.g. in reality you probably can find someone to vouch for you - doctor, priest, lawyer, if not friends that live close by and if you can find a friend nearby asking for a lend of $50 for ID application in your time of need will probably be successful).
tmountain 4y ago
Where I live, the DMV will issue you a new driver’s license without any accompanying documents. They use facial recognition to verify your identity. This brings its own issues to the table, but it solves this problem.
krallja 4y ago
It’s just that easy, huh? Here are the problems I would face when trying to get an ID from the government without having any ID. My state’s DMV wants to see: * One document (with full name) proving identity and date of birth. [A birth certificate.] * One document (with full name and full Social Security number) confirming Social Security number * Two documents (with current physical address) proving state residency The U.S. State Department requires you to apply in person for a new passport if your old one is destroyed. Processing, issuing, and delivering it currently takes about half a year. Oh yeah, and you will need to bring your birth certificate. I just requested a certified birth certificate from the register of deeds in my county, and they said it SHOULD be ready by December. So, I should be able to exist again by … next summer.
- basisword 4y ago
  >> I just requested a certified birth certificate from the register of deeds in my county, and they said it SHOULD be ready by December. That's...insane. Obviously this all depends on where you live but 6 months to get a birth certificate is crazy. I can get mine in less than 5 working days after I submit my request (which can be done on the phone, in person, or by mail). And that's the standard non-priority service.
  - krallja 4y ago
    Yep! Absolutely bonkers. “nObOdY WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE” etc. Luckily it’s not an emergency for me, I just want a copy to put in my fireproof safe…

nikanj 4y ago

This was discussed under "Bootstrapping of trust" in the same article. Getting new ID requires money+people who vouch for you, both of which you can't access without having access to them. It's circular dependencies all the way down.

basisword 4y ago
Ah, I glossed over it and missed that. I guess the point of this is that it's an absolute worst case scenario, which is highly unlikely for anyone. Most people will have an out (e.g. in reality you probably can find someone to vouch for you - doctor, priest, lawyer, if not friends that live close by and if you can find a friend nearby asking for a lend of $50 for ID application in your time of need will probably be successful).

tmountain 4y ago

Where I live, the DMV will issue you a new driver’s license without any accompanying documents. They use facial recognition to verify your identity. This brings its own issues to the table, but it solves this problem.

krallja 4y ago

It’s just that easy, huh? Here are the problems I would face when trying to get an ID from the government without having any ID. My state’s DMV wants to see: * One document (with full name) proving identity and date of birth. [A birth certificate.] * One document (with full name and full Social Security number) confirming Social Security number * Two documents (with current physical address) proving state residency The U.S. State Department requires you to apply in person for a new passport if your old one is destroyed. Processing, issuing, and delivering it currently takes about half a year. Oh yeah, and you will need to bring your birth certificate. I just requested a certified birth certificate from the register of deeds in my county, and they said it SHOULD be ready by December. So, I should be able to exist again by … next summer.

basisword 4y ago
>> I just requested a certified birth certificate from the register of deeds in my county, and they said it SHOULD be ready by December. That's...insane. Obviously this all depends on where you live but 6 months to get a birth certificate is crazy. I can get mine in less than 5 working days after I submit my request (which can be done on the phone, in person, or by mail). And that's the standard non-priority service.
- krallja 4y ago
  Yep! Absolutely bonkers. “nObOdY WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE” etc. Luckily it’s not an emergency for me, I just want a copy to put in my fireproof safe…