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I think this is a pretty bad take. Not all that many companies are doing work for cable standards to begin with, and personally - as a consumer - I very much w

I think this is a pretty bad take. Not all that many companies are doing work for cable standards to begin with, and personally - as a consumer - I very much welcome the standardization on usb-c. The companies that are doing work on communication standards aren't normally selling the kind of devices covered here to consumers. It's more business to business and military applications. Further, charging in particular is a different beast than communication in general - you're not doing anything other than sending current down the line to fill a battery. there's only so many ways to do that, and I think it makes sense to consolidate them. Finally - the requirement only states that the device must include a usb-c port for charging. It makes no limitations on manufacturers including additional ports. So even if a direct to consumer device wanted to include a new port - they absolutely could, they just still have to allow filling the battery from usb-c.

scarface74 4y ago
If you as a consumer prefer USB-C, buy a phone using USB-C. Why have the government involved?
- pixl97 4y ago
  I hate to be snarky on HN, but are we from the same planet? In the vast majority of devices you accept what the manufacture gives you or you are out of luck, especially when everything these days is protected by some kind of intellectual property. This excuse is old and tired and tends to ignore that large manufactures purposefully make the customer experience worse for higher profits.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Yes and their plenty of phone manufactures that give you a choice of buying phones with USB-C.
    - yladiz 4y ago
      And plenty don’t.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        stale2002 4y ago
        Or instead of that, people could use their legal and democratic rights to enforce a standardization. If you don't like it, feel free to vote for something different. But apparently the people in the EU disagree with you, and believe that the world would be better off if they enforced a standard. > Do you really need the government to make your choices for you? A user does not have a choice to use USB-C with certain devices right now. That is why there is a law, that now allows users to choose that. If Apple doesn't like it, then I guess they can of their own free choice, choose to leave the EU. They do not own the EU. They can take the deal, follow the law, or shut down in the EU. Thats their choice to sell to that market.
        scarface74 4y ago
        A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now. A user is also not free to buy an iPhone that runs Android. Should the government also force all phones to support Android? I’m also not free to buy an iPhone with pink polka dots. Should the EU force companies to make that? I want all cars to support CarPlay. Shouid that be legislated? The “people” didn’t vote for this. The same lawmakers who thought that an 11 chapter 99 section law would solve privacy issues and all it did was force users to deal with cookie pop ups. Yet one company made a 15 line rules change about tracking (Apple) and the entire ad industry had to do more to clean up their act and have admitted in their quarterly reports that it is impacting their business.
        stale2002 4y ago
        > A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now No they cannot use it with certain devices. Which is what the legislation is for. Then they will have that ability with all devices in the EU. Apple is also free to make devices doing whatever they want, and sell them in a different country. > Should the EU force companies to make that? Apple isn't forced to make anything. They can simply of their own choosing, leave that market. It is their choice to sell to that market, and they can feel free to leave if they don't like the official representatives of the EU using their official power to legislate. All these arguments about choice are ignoring that it is the choice of the EU to control its own market, and it is Apple's choice to sell there. They are free to leave if they don't like the laws that the lawmakers create. > I want all cars to support CarPlay. Should that be legislated? If you can get enough support among lawmakers, feel free to talk about the benefits and cons of your proposal.

scarface74 4y ago

If you as a consumer prefer USB-C, buy a phone using USB-C. Why have the government involved?

pixl97 4y ago
I hate to be snarky on HN, but are we from the same planet? In the vast majority of devices you accept what the manufacture gives you or you are out of luck, especially when everything these days is protected by some kind of intellectual property. This excuse is old and tired and tends to ignore that large manufactures purposefully make the customer experience worse for higher profits.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Yes and their plenty of phone manufactures that give you a choice of buying phones with USB-C.
  - yladiz 4y ago
    And plenty don’t.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      - stale2002 4y ago
        Or instead of that, people could use their legal and democratic rights to enforce a standardization. If you don't like it, feel free to vote for something different. But apparently the people in the EU disagree with you, and believe that the world would be better off if they enforced a standard. > Do you really need the government to make your choices for you? A user does not have a choice to use USB-C with certain devices right now. That is why there is a law, that now allows users to choose that. If Apple doesn't like it, then I guess they can of their own free choice, choose to leave the EU. They do not own the EU. They can take the deal, follow the law, or shut down in the EU. Thats their choice to sell to that market.
        scarface74 4y ago
        A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now. A user is also not free to buy an iPhone that runs Android. Should the government also force all phones to support Android? I’m also not free to buy an iPhone with pink polka dots. Should the EU force companies to make that? I want all cars to support CarPlay. Shouid that be legislated? The “people” didn’t vote for this. The same lawmakers who thought that an 11 chapter 99 section law would solve privacy issues and all it did was force users to deal with cookie pop ups. Yet one company made a 15 line rules change about tracking (Apple) and the entire ad industry had to do more to clean up their act and have admitted in their quarterly reports that it is impacting their business.
        stale2002 4y ago
        > A user is free to use a device with USB-C right now No they cannot use it with certain devices. Which is what the legislation is for. Then they will have that ability with all devices in the EU. Apple is also free to make devices doing whatever they want, and sell them in a different country. > Should the EU force companies to make that? Apple isn't forced to make anything. They can simply of their own choosing, leave that market. It is their choice to sell to that market, and they can feel free to leave if they don't like the official representatives of the EU using their official power to legislate. All these arguments about choice are ignoring that it is the choice of the EU to control its own market, and it is Apple's choice to sell there. They are free to leave if they don't like the laws that the lawmakers create. > I want all cars to support CarPlay. Should that be legislated? If you can get enough support among lawmakers, feel free to talk about the benefits and cons of your proposal.