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That was the whole point of USB —- it’s in the name Universal Serial Bus. We have to talk about the ewaste issue, which is massive score on the earth. The part

That was the whole point of USB —- it’s in the name Universal Serial Bus. We have to talk about the ewaste issue, which is massive score on the earth. The particular village in China where all our waste get recycled is just a horrible scene. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_waste_in_Guiyu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_waste_in_Guiyu This is a small step, but standardization is a great thing towards less waste.

criddell 4y ago
USB is universal, but there are so many variations that it's not very clear. Does the EU mandate say which USB-C modes and variations have to be supported?
- davoneus 4y ago
  Too many get caught up in the "USB-C" connector, and forget about the modes and power delivery. That said, AFAICT the May 2022 revision states (pg 6): "the devices should incorporate the USB Power Delivery (USB PD) standard (as described in the European standard EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021) and ensure that any additional charging protocols allow for full USB PD functionality (new annex Ia, part I)." Then the referenced: "EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021" standard specifies "To facilitate optimum charging, the specification defines two mechanisms a USB Charger can advertise for the Device to use: 1. A list of fixed voltages each with a maximum current. 2. A list of programmable voltage ranges each with a maximum current (PPS). The Device requests a voltage (in 20 mV increments) that is within the advertised range and a maximum current." But those regs get over my head quickly, so someone else may have better luck interpreting them.
  - criddell 4y ago
    This brings up an issue that Carl Malamud at public.resource.org has been fighting. The EU directive references a standard that costs $300 if you want a copy. You shouldn't have to pay to know your laws. If the EU is going to reference a standard owned by somebody else, they should purchase a license that allows them to publicly post the entire standard (AFAIK, they haven't done that). Or they could pass laws that say any standards referenced by law lose their copyright status. This would be a type of eminent domain for intellectual property.
mikkergp 4y ago
Won’t this increase waste as lightning is deprecated?
- cowtools 4y ago
  temporarily
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    Yeah but then there will be a new standard, I have to imagine waste is not the primary thing they are optimizing for here.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  Sure, but better now than in 5 or 10 years when there's more lightning cables out in the wild. Otherwise should we still be using lightning in 100 years?
scarface74 4y ago
https://learn.adafruit.com/understanding-usb-type-c-cable-types-pitfalls-and-more/cable-types-and-differences https://learn.adafruit.com/understanding-usb-type-c-cable-ty... And we have always been at war with EastAsia.

criddell 4y ago

USB is universal, but there are so many variations that it's not very clear. Does the EU mandate say which USB-C modes and variations have to be supported?

davoneus 4y ago
Too many get caught up in the "USB-C" connector, and forget about the modes and power delivery. That said, AFAICT the May 2022 revision states (pg 6): "the devices should incorporate the USB Power Delivery (USB PD) standard (as described in the European standard EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021) and ensure that any additional charging protocols allow for full USB PD functionality (new annex Ia, part I)." Then the referenced: "EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021" standard specifies "To facilitate optimum charging, the specification defines two mechanisms a USB Charger can advertise for the Device to use: 1. A list of fixed voltages each with a maximum current. 2. A list of programmable voltage ranges each with a maximum current (PPS). The Device requests a voltage (in 20 mV increments) that is within the advertised range and a maximum current." But those regs get over my head quickly, so someone else may have better luck interpreting them.
- criddell 4y ago
  This brings up an issue that Carl Malamud at public.resource.org has been fighting. The EU directive references a standard that costs $300 if you want a copy. You shouldn't have to pay to know your laws. If the EU is going to reference a standard owned by somebody else, they should purchase a license that allows them to publicly post the entire standard (AFAIK, they haven't done that). Or they could pass laws that say any standards referenced by law lose their copyright status. This would be a type of eminent domain for intellectual property.

mikkergp 4y ago

Won’t this increase waste as lightning is deprecated?

cowtools 4y ago
temporarily
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Yeah but then there will be a new standard, I have to imagine waste is not the primary thing they are optimizing for here.
ThatPlayer 4y ago
Sure, but better now than in 5 or 10 years when there's more lightning cables out in the wild. Otherwise should we still be using lightning in 100 years?

scarface74 4y ago

https://learn.adafruit.com/understanding-usb-type-c-cable-types-pitfalls-and-more/cable-types-and-differences https://learn.adafruit.com/understanding-usb-type-c-cable-ty... And we have always been at war with EastAsia.