5 ms·

> What would prevent some similar unintended consequence in Europe? We're not some fucked up dictatorship state?!?

dane-pgp 4y ago
Yeah, we'd only kill the disabled and mediocre children standing in the way of our Utopia, nothing immoral like those awful Chinese people do.
- martin_a 4y ago
  We're talking about embryos here. I think you're well aware about the ongoing discussions on when those are to be considered humans and when not. That's not an easy topic, obviously, but I'm fairly confident that we won't throw babys in the garbage can if we don't like them but try to make those decisions as early as possible.
  - telotortium 4y ago
    > I'm fairly confident that we won't throw babys in the garbage can if we don't like them Why not? What exactly is the limiting criterion? Sentience is the main criterion that people who want to argue for animal rights and yet support abortion use, and it's a pretty squishy criterion. Already Peter Singer supports veganism and effective altruism (i.e., rebranded utilitarianism), and yet is perfectly okay with both abortion and infanticide, at least until the child gets "sentience".
    - timeon 4y ago
      Pro-life people are vegans now? It is good that they are consistent.
Georgelemental 4y ago
> No, that could never happen here, are you crazy? We're a prosperous and civilized nation! - Every prosperous and civilized nation's last words
- martin_a 4y ago
  I think the EU as a group of states seems to work quite well. Furthermore it seems like anti-democratic behaviour is getting punished now, too, if you look over to Poland. I'm quite optimistic that this will further improve.
  - Woodi 4y ago
    Dude, what is your definition of "democracy" ? Because your opinion about Poland state seems to be really, really brain-washed. At best. Democracy as in free election ? Perfect democracy here - one party won twice, other parties lost. You call it a problem ? Democracy as in free speech ? Dude ! Wake up ! In Poland is so much free speech that it's boarding with anarchy ! Eg. almost decade of opposition internally and internationally literally urges to harm their own country just to retake power - without any gov punishment or something. Mrs. Merkel ex-pet, Tusk, literally calls for purges, without any law procedures ! Freedom bordered with anarchy ! Maybe you are aware judges here act as caste and they do whatever they want. Law is twisted at will here. Do not saying all the time, just when they want it. And that judges are official* opposition of elected party ! Judges ! Acting politically ! You call that despotism ? Or too much freedom ? Do we have military state like in France ? No. Do we have censorship like in Germany ? No. Do we have problems with making government like Italy ? No. Do our PM resigned because of corruption and next PM promised silence and no more leeks like in GB ? No. You see ? It's oasis of peace and happiness here compared to rest of the EU ;) But tell me pls, what you have in mind about that "anti-democracy" in Poland ?
    - _j5l3 4y ago
      > Furthermore it seems like anti-democratic behaviour is getting punished now, too, if you look over to Poland. They're saying anti-democratic behavior is being punished, which implies that Poland is pro-democracy.
      - Georgelemental 4y ago
        Only if Poland were the one doing the punishing. In this context, if I am correctly interpreting what the OP is referring to, the EU is punishing its member state Poland; Poland is the recipient of the punishment
rendall 4y ago
I'm not sure what the form of government has to do with long-term, unintended consequences deriving from parents regularly choosing the characteristics of their unborn children. Would we have more or fewer: engineers, artists, short people, quirky people, homosexuals, religious people, etc?

Yeah, we'd only kill the disabled and mediocre children standing in the way of our Utopia, nothing immoral like those awful Chinese people do.

martin_a 4y ago
We're talking about embryos here. I think you're well aware about the ongoing discussions on when those are to be considered humans and when not. That's not an easy topic, obviously, but I'm fairly confident that we won't throw babys in the garbage can if we don't like them but try to make those decisions as early as possible.
- telotortium 4y ago
  > I'm fairly confident that we won't throw babys in the garbage can if we don't like them Why not? What exactly is the limiting criterion? Sentience is the main criterion that people who want to argue for animal rights and yet support abortion use, and it's a pretty squishy criterion. Already Peter Singer supports veganism and effective altruism (i.e., rebranded utilitarianism), and yet is perfectly okay with both abortion and infanticide, at least until the child gets "sentience".
  - timeon 4y ago
    Pro-life people are vegans now? It is good that they are consistent.

Georgelemental 4y ago

> No, that could never happen here, are you crazy? We're a prosperous and civilized nation! - Every prosperous and civilized nation's last words

martin_a 4y ago
I think the EU as a group of states seems to work quite well. Furthermore it seems like anti-democratic behaviour is getting punished now, too, if you look over to Poland. I'm quite optimistic that this will further improve.
- Woodi 4y ago
  Dude, what is your definition of "democracy" ? Because your opinion about Poland state seems to be really, really brain-washed. At best. Democracy as in free election ? Perfect democracy here - one party won twice, other parties lost. You call it a problem ? Democracy as in free speech ? Dude ! Wake up ! In Poland is so much free speech that it's boarding with anarchy ! Eg. almost decade of opposition internally and internationally literally urges to harm their own country just to retake power - without any gov punishment or something. Mrs. Merkel ex-pet, Tusk, literally calls for purges, without any law procedures ! Freedom bordered with anarchy ! Maybe you are aware judges here act as caste and they do whatever they want. Law is twisted at will here. Do not saying all the time, just when they want it. And that judges are official* opposition of elected party ! Judges ! Acting politically ! You call that despotism ? Or too much freedom ? Do we have military state like in France ? No. Do we have censorship like in Germany ? No. Do we have problems with making government like Italy ? No. Do our PM resigned because of corruption and next PM promised silence and no more leeks like in GB ? No. You see ? It's oasis of peace and happiness here compared to rest of the EU ;) But tell me pls, what you have in mind about that "anti-democracy" in Poland ?
  - _j5l3 4y ago
    > Furthermore it seems like anti-democratic behaviour is getting punished now, too, if you look over to Poland. They're saying anti-democratic behavior is being punished, which implies that Poland is pro-democracy.
    - Georgelemental 4y ago
      Only if Poland were the one doing the punishing. In this context, if I am correctly interpreting what the OP is referring to, the EU is punishing its member state Poland; Poland is the recipient of the punishment

rendall 4y ago

I'm not sure what the form of government has to do with long-term, unintended consequences deriving from parents regularly choosing the characteristics of their unborn children. Would we have more or fewer: engineers, artists, short people, quirky people, homosexuals, religious people, etc?