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If it's going down to a pettiness war, I don't think the legislators will give up that easily. Apple reacting in a petty way not only shows that the legislator

by Hamcha 4y ago

If it's going down to a pettiness war, I don't think the legislators will give up that easily. Apple reacting in a petty way not only shows that the legislators were right on the money (while adapting shows they were forced, whether for good or bad) but gives them even more reason to push the buttons further. Digital Markets Act is definitely getting more fuel and attention after Apple's petty response to ACM's complaints in the Netherlands. [1] 1. https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitlement/ https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitl...

urgentmessage 4y ago
you seem to think that annoying Apple creates welfare for EU citizens But it doesn't. Regulators may "win" a battle. But consumers lose big time. And I don't think bureaucrats should take precedence versus consumers.
- hda2 4y ago
  I think GP's point is that you almost never win when you go against regulators head-on. Ultimately, they're the ones who have the guns (i.e control imports, exports, and enforcement). Now that it got to this point, Apple will yield if it wants to continue profiting off those markets. I do agree that legislating technology this way is a big mistake on EU's part. This is basically South Korea's ActiveX law all over again, and like South Korea, the EU will eventually be left behind.
  - Longhanks 4y ago
    Apple and Google won when EU countries tried the centralized covid control tracing, and they both went "you're not going to get this". Some countries were furious, yelled they're going to force Apple, that the EU is going to force Apple, yadda yadda. Nothing prevailed. Apple and Google dictated the API and the EU countries submitted, because they did not have time to enforce their will. It is not Apple's, Google's, or America's fault that the EU has become so little innovative, rather hostile towards software developers and entrepreneurs, that they have no power in the digital world. And for the EU it is easier to blame american companies, instead of admitting failure and working towards creating an more enterprise-friendly hub in Europe. I mean, as others have noted, why isn't the EU regulating the other side of the connector? Why are there 3+ power plugs in the EU? Shouldn't this be regulated first, if the EU's argument of reducing electronic waste be considered? No, those aren't created by american companies. I'm sick of the EU, its constant attempts to circumvent privacy (such as the current legislation of ending end to end encryption for chats), while obviously lacking in the democracy department (why is the comission not elected?).
- Panoramix 4y ago
  Nobody is losing anything over a proprietary crappy overpriced Apple solution

by Hamcha 4y ago

urgentmessage 4y ago

you seem to think that annoying Apple creates welfare for EU citizens But it doesn't. Regulators may "win" a battle. But consumers lose big time. And I don't think bureaucrats should take precedence versus consumers.

hda2 4y ago
I think GP's point is that you almost never win when you go against regulators head-on. Ultimately, they're the ones who have the guns (i.e control imports, exports, and enforcement). Now that it got to this point, Apple will yield if it wants to continue profiting off those markets. I do agree that legislating technology this way is a big mistake on EU's part. This is basically South Korea's ActiveX law all over again, and like South Korea, the EU will eventually be left behind.
- Longhanks 4y ago
  Apple and Google won when EU countries tried the centralized covid control tracing, and they both went "you're not going to get this". Some countries were furious, yelled they're going to force Apple, that the EU is going to force Apple, yadda yadda. Nothing prevailed. Apple and Google dictated the API and the EU countries submitted, because they did not have time to enforce their will. It is not Apple's, Google's, or America's fault that the EU has become so little innovative, rather hostile towards software developers and entrepreneurs, that they have no power in the digital world. And for the EU it is easier to blame american companies, instead of admitting failure and working towards creating an more enterprise-friendly hub in Europe. I mean, as others have noted, why isn't the EU regulating the other side of the connector? Why are there 3+ power plugs in the EU? Shouldn't this be regulated first, if the EU's argument of reducing electronic waste be considered? No, those aren't created by american companies. I'm sick of the EU, its constant attempts to circumvent privacy (such as the current legislation of ending end to end encryption for chats), while obviously lacking in the democracy department (why is the comission not elected?).
Panoramix 4y ago
Nobody is losing anything over a proprietary crappy overpriced Apple solution