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The idea's nice. I'll still have about 30 unusable micro-USB chargers lying around, though.

by 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago

asutekku 4y ago
Sure, doesn't still mean we should stagnate and be forced to use tech that is basically obsolete for a modern world's requirements.
- rob_c 4y ago
  I wouldn't stand on the hill of this is obsolete tech, there should be more devices built with power efficiency from the ground up as well as less focus on the USBC charges your phone faster. This is more about usbc will charge every device you have in a few years so no reaching for custom chargers. Usbc->X cables however are another matter nothing is stopping HP making a custom usbc->HP port for their laptops for instance
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- spacexsucks 4y ago
  Basically obsolete. As someone who uses a 7 yr old ipad, a 10 yr old windows phone and a 9 yr old Nexus 7 this is hot garbage
  - asutekku 4y ago
    Just because you are using old tech with a connector that's prone to break and is not able to transfer data quickly doesn't mean everyone else has to.
    - erddfre3423 4y ago
      Everyone else should not have a choice to buy new equipment as cheap as they can do today, whenever they wish. That's simply not sustainable.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
That's how progress works though. Would you rather be stuck with micro-USB technical limitations to this day instead?
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
This almost certainly prompts a USB-C iPhone followed by a portless one. (I don’t think they’re thin enough yet for USB-C to be structurally compromising.) In the box will either be no charger or a wireless charger with a USB-C port, thereby technically meeting the requirement.
kalleboo 4y ago
Interesting, I've never seen a charger with microUSB permanently attached, all my chargers have a USB-A port where you can change the cable. In any case, you can just stick tiny plug adapters on all your chargers. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G54XXZZ/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G54XXZZ/
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  I have an old Blackberry charger that has the cord attached, and I'm pretty sure I also have some old Samsung charger that's the same. But they're clearly quite rare.
  - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
    I've got a whole bunch of them, actually. Luckily, they can be repurposed for older Pi models.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  Off the top of my head, the Official Raspberry Pi Power Supplies, for both the microUSB and USB-C variants are permanently attached cables.
pornel 4y ago
Cables, not chargers. Your chargers are USB-A, and you can make them usable with an A-to-C cable. There are no chargers with micro-USB output port (USB never specified such thing). Micro-USB has been designed to make cables essentially disposable (and not meant to be hardwired into any device), because the more robust side of the connector is in the device's port, and the fragile side is in the cable.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > Micro-USB has been designed to make cables essentially disposable [..], because the more robust side of the connector is in the device's port, and the fragile side is in the cable. In my experience, this wasn't true. I had both a tablet and a phone that had the charging port fail. If I didn't apply a constant sideways force on the cable, it wouldn't charge. Tried other cables to make sure it wasn't a bad cable, but still had the same problem.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  > There are no chargers with micro-USB output port https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Listed/dp/B00MARDJZ4/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=22SR58WW8T5B8&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+power+supply&qid=1654621873&sprefix=raspbery+pi+3+%2Caps%2C1588&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-List...
- mlyle 4y ago
  > There are no chargers with micro-USB output port (USB never specified such thing I have several chargers with a brick and a permanently attached micro-USB cable that came with devices. One from Samsung; a couple from Grandcentral; a few for Raspberry Pis.
- floxy 4y ago
  >There are no chargers with micro-USB output port https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microusb+AC+adapter&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microusb+AC+adapter&t=ffab&iar=ima...

The idea's nice. I'll still have about 30 unusable micro-USB chargers lying around, though.

Sure, doesn't still mean we should stagnate and be forced to use tech that is basically obsolete for a modern world's requirements.

rob_c 4y ago
I wouldn't stand on the hill of this is obsolete tech, there should be more devices built with power efficiency from the ground up as well as less focus on the USBC charges your phone faster. This is more about usbc will charge every device you have in a few years so no reaching for custom chargers. Usbc->X cables however are another matter nothing is stopping HP making a custom usbc->HP port for their laptops for instance
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spacexsucks 4y ago
Basically obsolete. As someone who uses a 7 yr old ipad, a 10 yr old windows phone and a 9 yr old Nexus 7 this is hot garbage
- asutekku 4y ago
  Just because you are using old tech with a connector that's prone to break and is not able to transfer data quickly doesn't mean everyone else has to.
  - erddfre3423 4y ago
    Everyone else should not have a choice to buy new equipment as cheap as they can do today, whenever they wish. That's simply not sustainable.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

That's how progress works though. Would you rather be stuck with micro-USB technical limitations to this day instead?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

This almost certainly prompts a USB-C iPhone followed by a portless one. (I don’t think they’re thin enough yet for USB-C to be structurally compromising.) In the box will either be no charger or a wireless charger with a USB-C port, thereby technically meeting the requirement.

kalleboo 4y ago

Interesting, I've never seen a charger with microUSB permanently attached, all my chargers have a USB-A port where you can change the cable. In any case, you can just stick tiny plug adapters on all your chargers. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G54XXZZ/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G54XXZZ/

vladvasiliu 4y ago
I have an old Blackberry charger that has the cord attached, and I'm pretty sure I also have some old Samsung charger that's the same. But they're clearly quite rare.
- 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
  I've got a whole bunch of them, actually. Luckily, they can be repurposed for older Pi models.
ThatPlayer 4y ago
Off the top of my head, the Official Raspberry Pi Power Supplies, for both the microUSB and USB-C variants are permanently attached cables.

pornel 4y ago

Cables, not chargers. Your chargers are USB-A, and you can make them usable with an A-to-C cable. There are no chargers with micro-USB output port (USB never specified such thing). Micro-USB has been designed to make cables essentially disposable (and not meant to be hardwired into any device), because the more robust side of the connector is in the device's port, and the fragile side is in the cable.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> Micro-USB has been designed to make cables essentially disposable [..], because the more robust side of the connector is in the device's port, and the fragile side is in the cable. In my experience, this wasn't true. I had both a tablet and a phone that had the charging port fail. If I didn't apply a constant sideways force on the cable, it wouldn't charge. Tried other cables to make sure it wasn't a bad cable, but still had the same problem.
vineyardmike 4y ago
> There are no chargers with micro-USB output port https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-Listed/dp/B00MARDJZ4/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=22SR58WW8T5B8&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+power+supply&qid=1654621873&sprefix=raspbery+pi+3+%2Caps%2C1588&sr=8-3 https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-Supply-Adapter-List...
mlyle 4y ago
> There are no chargers with micro-USB output port (USB never specified such thing I have several chargers with a brick and a permanently attached micro-USB cable that came with devices. One from Samsung; a couple from Grandcentral; a few for Raspberry Pis.
floxy 4y ago
>There are no chargers with micro-USB output port https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microusb+AC+adapter&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microusb+AC+adapter&t=ffab&iar=ima...