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Others doing the same doesn't justify the practice. I am calling out Apple right now because this discussion is about Apple, not because I just want to blame Ap

Others doing the same doesn't justify the practice. I am calling out Apple right now because this discussion is about Apple, not because I just want to blame Apple and give a pass to the others. What is this argument, is Apple now the 12 year old 'bad' kid in class who gets blamed for everything? Should I be considerate of its feelings? Anyway, Google still allows alternative app stores on the platform like F-droid that is a major difference. Since Apple has locked down the platform, they are the price setters: they decide for you that 30% is fair. Seems extortionate to me.

dijit 4y ago
I’m more pointing out that as far as “platform costs” go, Apple is in-line with its contemporaries. In fact it’s likely by virtue of the platform being so closed that the rate is so high (as my examples are console platforms which also seek to be hermetically sealed environments), so trotting out f-droid as a refutation does little. Maybe I’m numb to this from working in games; try making a game and avoiding the 30% tax; even on a free and open platform like PC, outside of Epic and some home-grown launchers you’re going to be paying 30%. For consoles; forget about it, that’s the price. It’s pay to play, and if you don’t want to pay then… don’t, nobody puts a gun to your head any forces you to support the iPhone. At least you have an alternative platform to target that is cheaper (Android). Where as I got death threats when we put The Division 2 on Epic Games; the public opinion was not a good one: https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ae8vnd/_/ednd9fr/?context=1 https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ae8vnd/_/ednd9fr/?...
- taylodl 4y ago
  >> It’s pay to play, and if you don’t want to pay then… don’t, nobody puts a gun to your head any forces you to support the iPhone Right? If you don't like their monkeys then don't join their circus! Apple is spending billions of dollars to create their iPhone market that these people then want to tap into and profit from for free! Apple doesn't get paid unless you get paid, distribute your app for free and you don't have to pay Apple anything. Oh, you want to make money? Then you're going to have to pay for that! If these people don't like it then I suggest they try distributing their software via Walmart, Gamestop, or Staples. Wait, what? You can't access their stores for free to sell your stuff! Say it ain't so! Frankly I'm tired of this juvenile discussion. These people obviously have no clue as to how retail works and can't see that Apple has actually cut them a hell of a deal! A better deal than you're going to get distributing any product via a traditional retail channel.
  - manigandham 4y ago
    Perhaps people would rather take the side of the consumer instead of the multi-trillion-dollar global conglomerates? Feel free to donate as much money as you want to them though.
    - taylodl 4y ago
      The consumer wants everything for free. Get back to me when you're willing to work for free - I'd love to "hire" you! :)
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      - manigandham 4y ago
        Consumers already pay for the hardware which is why they're a trillion dollar company. However there are other trillion-dollar companies that have free consumer services if that's really the issue (which it isn't). By the way, millions of apps are not monetized and therefore free to host so clearly there's not a critical cost associated with the app store but rather pure profit margin. Simply allowing the install of additional app stores would solve all these issues and allow for more competitions and the free market to discover the real price of app store services.

dijit 4y ago

I’m more pointing out that as far as “platform costs” go, Apple is in-line with its contemporaries. In fact it’s likely by virtue of the platform being so closed that the rate is so high (as my examples are console platforms which also seek to be hermetically sealed environments), so trotting out f-droid as a refutation does little. Maybe I’m numb to this from working in games; try making a game and avoiding the 30% tax; even on a free and open platform like PC, outside of Epic and some home-grown launchers you’re going to be paying 30%. For consoles; forget about it, that’s the price. It’s pay to play, and if you don’t want to pay then… don’t, nobody puts a gun to your head any forces you to support the iPhone. At least you have an alternative platform to target that is cheaper (Android). Where as I got death threats when we put The Division 2 on Epic Games; the public opinion was not a good one: https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ae8vnd/_/ednd9fr/?context=1 https://reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ae8vnd/_/ednd9fr/?...

taylodl 4y ago
>> It’s pay to play, and if you don’t want to pay then… don’t, nobody puts a gun to your head any forces you to support the iPhone Right? If you don't like their monkeys then don't join their circus! Apple is spending billions of dollars to create their iPhone market that these people then want to tap into and profit from for free! Apple doesn't get paid unless you get paid, distribute your app for free and you don't have to pay Apple anything. Oh, you want to make money? Then you're going to have to pay for that! If these people don't like it then I suggest they try distributing their software via Walmart, Gamestop, or Staples. Wait, what? You can't access their stores for free to sell your stuff! Say it ain't so! Frankly I'm tired of this juvenile discussion. These people obviously have no clue as to how retail works and can't see that Apple has actually cut them a hell of a deal! A better deal than you're going to get distributing any product via a traditional retail channel.
- manigandham 4y ago
  Perhaps people would rather take the side of the consumer instead of the multi-trillion-dollar global conglomerates? Feel free to donate as much money as you want to them though.
  - taylodl 4y ago
    The consumer wants everything for free. Get back to me when you're willing to work for free - I'd love to "hire" you! :)
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    - manigandham 4y ago
      Consumers already pay for the hardware which is why they're a trillion dollar company. However there are other trillion-dollar companies that have free consumer services if that's really the issue (which it isn't). By the way, millions of apps are not monetized and therefore free to host so clearly there's not a critical cost associated with the app store but rather pure profit margin. Simply allowing the install of additional app stores would solve all these issues and allow for more competitions and the free market to discover the real price of app store services.