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Politics is everywhere, people will fight you not on technical merit but because they want to claim responsibility for something even if its inferior to the
by inferiorhuman 4y ago
Politics is everywhere, people will fight you not on technical merit
but because they want to claim responsibility for something even
if its inferior to the product you could build - if you don't
have the support to push through this I suspect you'd get stuck here.
In my meager experience this is not unusual in large(r) organizations. At one point at megacorp there was a big push to get me to buy into some atrocious docker orchestration thing as I was part of a high velocity team. There were two teams working on this internal monstrosity and each manager was quite happy to promise entirely contradictory things to promote their own status within the company. I've never been so fast to turn someone's name into a verb.
Another shining moment was when the security/compliance department cobbled together a Hashicorp Vault proof-of-concept and lobbed it over the fence at one of the ops teams. The ops team didn't have the bandwidth to deal with it and the security team refused to maintain it. It was ridiculous enough that veeps and directors got involved.
Corporate structure is confusing because everyone's titles are massively inflated.
This has been my experience at most tech companies I've been at.
Claimed to have internal open source in the Division I interviewed for (didn't expect that).
Careful what you ask for. ;)
- jabroni_salad 4y agogoes doubly for banking sector. I can't tell you how many 'vice presidents' are in my rolodex, it's pretty much everybody that isn't a teller.
- inferiorhuman 4y agoSure. The first time around at megacorp I left shortly before a reorg that demoted my manager to IC status. He was still a manager when I returned but a manager with no direct reports.
- mindentropy 4y ago> I can't tell you how many 'vice presidents' are in my rolodex Yes I have seen this. This person was boasting about being a "Vice President" and then I see almost everyone is a VP. What is up with this?
- wbl 4y agoSuppose you are the CEO of a bottle cap company in the Midwest. Whose call you going to take, a VP at Goldman or a junior banker at Goldman?
- rockinghigh 4y agoVice President at financial companies is just a mid-senior title. Similar to L4/L5 at Google. There is no expectation of managing people.
- decafninja 4y agoMy resume and LinkedIn original had "vice president" as my title (as a bank SWE). It seemed to be detrimental to finding a job at a tech company, so I've long since replaced it with just "senior software engineer" to much better results. One FAANG hiring manager outright told me he found it very intimidating.
- softveda 4y agoOne bank in Australia (NAB) is also doing this inner source thing. https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nab-to-innersource-some-of-its-business-platforms-573652#:~:text=NAB%20has%20been%20innersourcing%20code,cloud%20and%20into%20production%20faster https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nab-to-innersource-some-of-it....
- mianos 4y ago> cobbled together a Hashicorp Vault proof-of-concept and lobbed it over the fence at one of the ops teams. I have seen this twice now. Vault is trivial to get going and get a POC up, but it is a lot more work (ten times?), getting up properly deployed with working HA, a good structure and good processes in place so it does not become a steaming pile of spaghetti. I probably wrecked my career at one firm spending all the time doing it properly, but it was probably time to leave when they started a project to replace it with Password Manager Pro. :)
- inferiorhuman 4y agoThis was I think more an issue of integrating it with other bits of infrastructure. Things like access control provisioning namespaces. The folks who were on the receiving end of the security team's bullshit were quite capable of getting vault setup but bogged down by mediocre management. I think we ended up using KMS instead (much to the chagrin of everyone).