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> I'm a professional iOS developer and I'm still using MBP Pro 2015 model Oh how I wish I have saved this model. Instead I bought the MBP 2017 with its garbage

> I'm a professional iOS developer and I'm still using MBP Pro 2015 model Oh how I wish I have saved this model. Instead I bought the MBP 2017 with its garbage keyboard. Apple replaced this keyboard (along with a case which did not need replacement in a new laptop) with the same useless shit. This was the beginning of the end of Macs for me. That was just too much money for such a huge downgrade. Work on the 2017 model was so inefficient without external keyboard and using trackpad less pleasant with external keyboard that I started looking elsewhere. Now I'm a ThinkPad user and while things aren't perfect, it's a better work tool than the garbage from Apple. I've been told that Apple finally created usable keyboard later but they lost me as a customer with this 2017 trash. I've seen benchmarks for M1 models. But I'm just not gonna risk it with Apple based on previous experiences. If I kept the 2015 model, I may have skipped Apple's compulsive urge to make things thinnier and more awkward to use and remained Apple's user.

samatman 4y ago
I said something similar, that I was never going to buy another scissor keyboard and if that meant no more Macs, so be it. The 2019 and later models have the same old keyboard they should never have stopped using, and you can tell it's just as boring and reliable because no one talks about them failing, since they don't.
- hericium 4y ago
  Hardware is one thing. Apple forces users into SaaS model by hiding details of security updates and merging them with unwanted UI/UX downgrades. You can't have secure Apple device without giving up more and more usability and performance over time.
  - samatman 4y ago
    I assure you, if I wanted to be responsible for my own OS upgrades, I'd run Arch like the rest of the 0.05% of the desktop computer world who want to do this.
owyn 4y ago
The 2015 MB Pro may go down in history as the best laptop of all time. I still have mine, just got an official apple store battery refurb because it was swelling, but now it's as good as new! Was working at a startup for 5 years and used it daily with no issues, compiling code and running VM's all day. At the new job I have a new MBP (16", 2019 model, core I9, the M1 was not yet approved by corporate) which is hopefully the last Intel model they're going to make and its garbage. 2 hours of zoom calls and it dies, fans turn on all the time for no reason. The keyboard is better now though. I did have the 2008 MBP and I thought that model was fantastic too, I got a 2008 Mac Pro at the same time. I gave away the laptop but the tower is still running. Not sure why 2008 was such a good year for them, but they really got it right. I'd run a 2008 MacBook form factor with a decent linux OS any day.
lawgimenez 4y ago
Yes I am going to hold onto this 2015 model as long as I can. I don't really care if this gets all the Ventura fancy features. The keyboards are so durable, no matter how many times my 3 year old toddler slaps, throw or play, this machine just doesn't break.

samatman 4y ago

I said something similar, that I was never going to buy another scissor keyboard and if that meant no more Macs, so be it. The 2019 and later models have the same old keyboard they should never have stopped using, and you can tell it's just as boring and reliable because no one talks about them failing, since they don't.

hericium 4y ago
Hardware is one thing. Apple forces users into SaaS model by hiding details of security updates and merging them with unwanted UI/UX downgrades. You can't have secure Apple device without giving up more and more usability and performance over time.
- samatman 4y ago
  I assure you, if I wanted to be responsible for my own OS upgrades, I'd run Arch like the rest of the 0.05% of the desktop computer world who want to do this.

owyn 4y ago

The 2015 MB Pro may go down in history as the best laptop of all time. I still have mine, just got an official apple store battery refurb because it was swelling, but now it's as good as new! Was working at a startup for 5 years and used it daily with no issues, compiling code and running VM's all day. At the new job I have a new MBP (16", 2019 model, core I9, the M1 was not yet approved by corporate) which is hopefully the last Intel model they're going to make and its garbage. 2 hours of zoom calls and it dies, fans turn on all the time for no reason. The keyboard is better now though. I did have the 2008 MBP and I thought that model was fantastic too, I got a 2008 Mac Pro at the same time. I gave away the laptop but the tower is still running. Not sure why 2008 was such a good year for them, but they really got it right. I'd run a 2008 MacBook form factor with a decent linux OS any day.

lawgimenez 4y ago

Yes I am going to hold onto this 2015 model as long as I can. I don't really care if this gets all the Ventura fancy features. The keyboards are so durable, no matter how many times my 3 year old toddler slaps, throw or play, this machine just doesn't break.