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Idk where you live, but paying over MSRP is unnecessary where I live (tier 2 US city) unless you’re looking at a very high end car ($80k+). Most dealerships ne

Idk where you live, but paying over MSRP is unnecessary where I live (tier 2 US city) unless you’re looking at a very high end car ($80k+). Most dealerships near me that priced gouged had to change course pretty quick. I bought 2 vehicles during the pandemic, both at the same dealership, both at MSRP. I think most people who pay over either don’t know other dealerships will negotiate to MSRP, or they just really want a specific color, etc.

lettergram 4y ago
I have yet to pay MSRP for a new car. Twice, Ive gone in on Christmas Eve or New Years and make the guy wait around until he offers an employee discount. I’ve also gotten a discount (5% under MSRP) for being associated with a university which purchases in bulk from the given dealership. In one case I made the guy go into their system and show me I was buying it at cost to the dealership. People just don’t know how to negotiate. I’d be sad to see dealerships go, I’ve saved probably ten thousand of haggling.
- exitb 4y ago
  As usual with this type of advice, it wouldn’t work that way if everyone approached dealerships like that.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    And it shouldn't work like that. Haggling the price of a car simply shouldn't be something that is done. Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it. No dealer should expect more and folks that think it is too much should simply not buy.
    - itsoktocry 4y ago
      >Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it. They do. It's called MSRP. You can walk into any dealer in Canada (and presumably the US) and pay it. The price is on the website or the car window. Why do you care if other people are able to haggle for a better deal?
      - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
        If folks are paying more than that or expected to "trick" people into thinking they are getting a good deal (or ripping off the dealer), this isn't an honest sale. It is a game of "who can trick the other more". The MSRP isn't realistically there to advertise the price of the car. The reason I'm against it is because it means folks are going to get taken advantage of. In a lot of cases, it is the buyer.
  - itsoktocry 4y ago
    >it wouldn’t work that way if everyone approached dealerships like that Of course it would. Dealers have some flexibility in their margins. Just like you, they have a price below which they will not make a deal. If you offer too low a price they will simply say no. This isn't rocket science; buyers and sellers come together at an acceptable price.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  We shouldn't be expected to haggle. Just expect everyone to be more honest about pricing - haggling makes it so folks compete and try to trick each other. I'll add that at least one of these wasn't you haggling - you just happened to be associated with a place that gave you a discount. And you don't need dealerships to get such a thing.
- bluGill 4y ago
  > I think you'd see more customers move to ordering, if it was an option. That is dishonest. A dealer needs to make his pay. You took his time, they need to make money for it. Of course it works out because dealers know that you know what they paid (edmunds, kelly blue book, and a few others I can't remember) will tell you the exact numbers, and everyone knows that. Dealers just have found other sneaky ways to get their money instead. It is people like you are refuse to allow a simple honest profit margin that force all the evil financing junk that dealers pull instead.

lettergram 4y ago

I have yet to pay MSRP for a new car. Twice, Ive gone in on Christmas Eve or New Years and make the guy wait around until he offers an employee discount. I’ve also gotten a discount (5% under MSRP) for being associated with a university which purchases in bulk from the given dealership. In one case I made the guy go into their system and show me I was buying it at cost to the dealership. People just don’t know how to negotiate. I’d be sad to see dealerships go, I’ve saved probably ten thousand of haggling.

exitb 4y ago
As usual with this type of advice, it wouldn’t work that way if everyone approached dealerships like that.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  And it shouldn't work like that. Haggling the price of a car simply shouldn't be something that is done. Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it. No dealer should expect more and folks that think it is too much should simply not buy.
  - itsoktocry 4y ago
    >Every vehicle for sale should have the price listed on it. They do. It's called MSRP. You can walk into any dealer in Canada (and presumably the US) and pay it. The price is on the website or the car window. Why do you care if other people are able to haggle for a better deal?
    - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
      If folks are paying more than that or expected to "trick" people into thinking they are getting a good deal (or ripping off the dealer), this isn't an honest sale. It is a game of "who can trick the other more". The MSRP isn't realistically there to advertise the price of the car. The reason I'm against it is because it means folks are going to get taken advantage of. In a lot of cases, it is the buyer.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >it wouldn’t work that way if everyone approached dealerships like that Of course it would. Dealers have some flexibility in their margins. Just like you, they have a price below which they will not make a deal. If you offer too low a price they will simply say no. This isn't rocket science; buyers and sellers come together at an acceptable price.
Broken_Hippo 4y ago
We shouldn't be expected to haggle. Just expect everyone to be more honest about pricing - haggling makes it so folks compete and try to trick each other. I'll add that at least one of these wasn't you haggling - you just happened to be associated with a place that gave you a discount. And you don't need dealerships to get such a thing.
bluGill 4y ago
> I think you'd see more customers move to ordering, if it was an option. That is dishonest. A dealer needs to make his pay. You took his time, they need to make money for it. Of course it works out because dealers know that you know what they paid (edmunds, kelly blue book, and a few others I can't remember) will tell you the exact numbers, and everyone knows that. Dealers just have found other sneaky ways to get their money instead. It is people like you are refuse to allow a simple honest profit margin that force all the evil financing junk that dealers pull instead.